10R80 is no PDK

[WERA49]

The 10R80 may be strong, but it is nowhere near as user friendly as a PDK. The PDK shifted in milliseconds, the 10R80 takes centuries to follow my command.

I tell the 10R80 to downshift, wait a second, tap down, wait a second, tap down, wait then B-A-N-G it shifts three at once feels like I hit a tree.

Ford's manual transmission has problems and their automatic also has problems. The ZF (6 speed manual) in my 335Xi is fun and willing to play. The PDK is a joy.

Why can't Ford and GM make a fun transmission?

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[cerbomark]

I ve had PDK s, they are great but do you know what the cost difference is ! That s why.

 

[MX915]

The Tremec TR-9070 in the GT500 is more of an apples to apples comparison to the PDK no? DCT to DCT.

Having both a 10R80 GT and a GT500, I can say the Tremec DCT is fantastic and night and day from the 10 speed.

 

[ZXMustang]

no shit.

 

[WildHorse]

Why can't Ford and GM make a fun transmission

They do. It's the MT-82.

 

[Grimreaper]

Sell it and go buy a car that has a trans you think is fun. Expecting something to be something its not is dumb. Accept what it is and work with it or cut ties and move on.

 

[geep81]

Congrats, you cracked the code on why your auto only cost $1600 more over base, compared to cars with PDKs that start at double the Mustang base price.

I knew I would hate the 10 speed any time I had to downshift at speed. No way you'd catch me buying an automatic Mustang.

 

[geep81]

Why can't Ford and GM make a fun transmission?

To be fair, BMW can't either.

They contract it out, and even still the shifting is rubbery and a Honda has better feel.

 

[sirben711]

Without a doubt, the 10R80 is the worst transmission I have ever used.

Agreed.

 

[f00man]

Cool story.

 

[MAGS1]

Water is wet

 

[ShadesOfBloo]

The 10R80 may be strong, but it is nowhere near as user friendly as a PDK. The PDK shifted in milliseconds, the 10R80 takes centuries to follow my command.

I tell the 10R80 to downshift, wait a second, tap down, wait a second, tap down, wait then B-A-N-G it shifts three at once feels like I hit a tree.

Ford's manual transmission has problems and their automatic also has problems. The ZF (6 speed manual) in my 335Xi is fun and willing to play. The PDK is a joy.

Why can't Ford and GM make a fun transmission?

They outsource fun transmissions to Tremec.

Your experience with the 10R80 might be even worse than mine. Your description of the 10R80 sounds like my experience with a 2008 Mazda rental car.

I rented a 2019 Mustang and drove it in the mountains of Virginia, and that 10R80 couldn't find the right gear with a flashlight. Its main redeeming quality was that I could override it with the input paddles. It certainly responded to my inputs faster than the previous automatic I drove.
...But then the override could time out. If I didn't have a reason to shift before it timed out, it was going to shift up 2 gears or more and bog the engine down again.
Basically, I was babysitting the transmission computer because it couldn't be trusted on its own.

Now that I own a Mustang, I like the MT82 a lot better than I liked the slushbox in that rental car.

They do. It's the MT-82.

Ford and GM don't make that. Getrag makes that, at a factory in a communist country.
Ford and GM have outsourced manual transmissions since at least the 1980s.
The best ones come from Mexico: TREMEC = TRansmisiones y Equipos MECanicos.

 

[SheepDog]

I ve had PDK s, they are great but do you know what the cost difference is ! That s why.

Even the DSG's in Volkswagens are far superior to the 10R80, not to mention the 8 speed ZF's in BMW's.

 

[Strokerswild]

Not only is it no PDK, it's not even in the same league as the ZF 8-speed....

 

[Rodpwnz]

I agree that the 10r80 is lacking when compared to other sports autos/DCT, but I wouldn't call it slow or terrible. Drove my brother's M340i with the ZF8 speed again a couple days ago and its more responsive(paddles) and smooth, but felt almost too soft and muted. Maybe it would have felt better in a V8 mustang

I'm curious to see if/how a 10r80 tune will improve shift response time to paddles.

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