10R80 is no PDK

[ice445]

The manual may have issues but to say it's not a fun transmission is simply false, lol. I mean yeah, it would be nice if the ratios were better, but unless you're a stoplight racer it doesn't matter too much.

Dohc v8 + pick your own gear = fun

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[ChitownStang]

@ChitownStang @Jstang23

Knowing how all companies / marketing departments can be creative, I wonder if there was a running change with the converter that coincided with the year change that the M1 landed.

i.e. they told us the truth, but conveniently omitted to tell us that other variants with the A10 also got the change.

Someone with access to various chassis numbers for both GT’s and M1’s might be able to confirm that one way or another.

A similar check on the euro variants could also be enlightening.

WD

That does sound like a reasonable theory.
I called Ford Performance today for shits and giggles and he read me same thing I read online, that it is an upgraded converter but he had no part #'s to back it up.

 

[shogun32]

Why they would remove torsen diff

Licensing.

The GM version of the trans is a thing of beauty. I don't know if all the hardware is the same as Ford's but the Ford mustang rans behavior is total crap. The GM one on the Camaro is a joy. The f150 trans tune is also much better than the mustang.

Ultimately you need a 3rd party trans tune to fix all of Ford's warts.

In the meantime I just drive stick and my quan is maximized

 

[ChitownStang]

Licensing.

The GM version of the trans is a thing of beauty. I don't know if all the hardware is the same as Ford's but the Ford mustang rans behavior is total crap. The GM one on the Camaro is a joy. The f150 trans tune is also much better than the mustang.

Ultimately you need a 3rd party trans tune to fix all of Ford's warts.

In the meantime I just drive stick and my quan is maximized

I have a love hate relationship with mine. Some days I love it and others I’m embarrassed to drive it.
I’ve driven the manual Mach and gt350 and had a 15gt with mgw . Sometimes I miss the stick but really just want a really nice auto trans For my needs at this time in my life.

 

[GreenVert]

I have both a new 5.0 convertible with the 10 speed and a Two year Tesla model 3 performance. The instantaneous response and torque in the Tesla is absolutely addictive. Driving the Mustang after it is like driving a pulpwood truck. However I love a convertible on nice weather days so I have both, but damn the Tesla is so quick. I can't wait for the next generation electric Mustang Convertible. Plus now Fords can use the supercharger network.

 

[thornclaw]

we need to keep in mind that the 10r80 was also designed to be used in an f150. put a vw dsg/pdk in an f150 and see what happens. the economies of scale is what drives this approach.

 

[Jstang23]

yea, I edited my post and agree what does optimized really mean? maybe just a tune?

Hey so I heard back from the engineer! He said he wasn't sure if they were compatible as he did not work on the 10 speed directly. He said he would be surprised if they weren't compatible as they didn't change anything things else mechanically with the 10 speed for the mustangs. He did mention this which was funny, "I also wouldn't be surprised if that optimized torque converter is just a drop in from the F-250. Its stronger and can handle more abuse and would more than likely explain why you can't find a part number."

He said he'll try and find a part number for us is there if one though!

Cheers

 

[Velocityblue5oh]

The 10R80 is not a PDK??
Umm thats like an apples to steak comparison. Theres a reason these cars are more widely available and cheaper then a 911 or Shelby GT500. Also a fun transmission is usually called a manual. Sure the MT82 has it's issues and won't win you races but its about engagement. News flash for the noobs when it comes to racing. The people with deeper pockets usually win drag/dig races lol. If you want to test your skills in all areas of the car try Road Racing.

 

[EFI]

The 10R80 is not a PDK??

Hillarious comparison isn't it?

A new PDK probably costs as much as the entire S550 Mustang, yet he thinks it should have the same performance.

 

[Strokerswild]

Licensing.

The GM version of the trans is a thing of beauty. I don't know if all the hardware is the same as Ford's but the Ford mustang rans behavior is total crap. The GM one on the Camaro is a joy. The f150 trans tune is also much better than the mustang.

Ultimately you need a 3rd party trans tune to fix all of Ford's warts.

In the meantime I just drive stick and my quan is maximized

I can't comment on the Mustang A10, but the trans tuning in my F150 leaves a little to be desired. A little clunky and abrupt all around unless it's in sport mode and I'm hammering on it.

I didn't realize how clunky it really is until I got a new Jeep Wrangler with the 8-speed a couple of months ago. That thing is auto trans perfection compared to the Ford A10, driving the two back to back is kind of hilarious....

 

[cerbomark]

it s been a few years since my Porsche days but a few years ago a replacement PDK was about $25K. Thats why I never kept them past warranty.

 

[Garfy]

The 10R80 may be strong, but it is nowhere near as user friendly as a PDK. The PDK shifted in milliseconds, the 10R80 takes centuries to follow my command.

I tell the 10R80 to downshift, wait a second, tap down, wait a second, tap down, wait then B-A-N-G it shifts three at once feels like I hit a tree.

Ford's manual transmission has problems and their automatic also has problems. The ZF (6 speed manual) in my 335Xi is fun and willing to play. The PDK is a joy.

Why can't Ford and GM make a fun transmission?

I've never had that problem; my problem is when I tap the downshift lever, it does shift fairly quickly but the problem is the engine revs up to match the gear then the throttle backs off so I don't begin to slow down for about 3 seconds or so. If I tap 3 times it'll go to 7th gear but the engine has revved up to match the speed then the throttle backs off. Why can't it just go into gear without revving up the engine, it's not a manual where rev matching would be beneficial. On my Honda, when I tap the downshift lever, it goes into that gear and begins to decel the car, no engine revving.

 

[fredsmustang]

I agree that the 10r80 is lacking when compared to other sports autos/DCT, but I wouldn't call it slow or terrible. Drove my brother's M340i with the ZF8 speed again a couple days ago and its more responsive(paddles) and smooth, but felt almost too soft and muted. Maybe it would have felt better in a V8 mustang

I'm curious to see if/how a 10r80 tune will improve shift response time to paddles.

Well, unless your 10R80 is better than mine for some reason, the transmission is garbage. It is by FAR the worst part about this car. I hate everything about it.

 

[PhillyMike]

Comparison to a PDK is silly ($$), but comparing to a ZF 8 speed is a good apples to apples.

Thus far, ~2K miles, I find the A10 to be less smooth than the ZF 8HP70 8 speed in my Durango in particularly in moderate traffic and acceleration with light throttle. For that matter, it is also less smooth than the 7-speed in the 2011 G37 I sold when I bought this car.

In terms of paddle response, neither are particularly engaging to drive with the paddles.

It's not a bad transmission, but neither is it the best thing about the car nor the best AT out there.
IMHO It likes to be driven hard to work well, which is not always possible on the street.

 

[Gfswindle]

Here's my experience with a 10r80 vs a 6r80. Huge upgrade, loved the 10r80 from the start in comparison to the 6r80 in my 15. Mine does not exhibit harsh characteristics, only the occasional flare that 10r80's are known for. After a Lund tune the trans became even better, never driven a DCT of any sort but compared to my wifes 428i with the ZF8 which I thought was quick on paddles is a turd compared to paddle shifting after my lund tune. Spirited paddle shifts for me only seem to be a couple hundred milliseconds and are very firm. When coming to stop while using the paddles I never downshift less than 3rd, I just let the trans handle that on it's own. With a PP1 car gearing 3rd gear is the lowest I ever need when driving aggressively and 1st gear is practically dumb. Been tempted to have lund lockout 1st gear in normal drive mode.

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