Manual VS Auto

[Rock&Roll]

All racecars are automatics these days. Also, it looks like my joke...






...went over your head.

but ... I go college and i have bapoma.


enjoy your weird little race car that goes airborne
It's NOT a Mustang and its not a Stick so it sucks IMO.

JK some days I'd rather have a A10 ... SOME

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[cosmic charlie]

Like you say auto was seen as the "luxury" choice maybe 15-20 years ago, but never the sporty choice. For example, no one in their right mind would have chosen the auto BMW E36 M3 over the manual version, and that has shown in the residuals for other older performance cars as well. Now the auto is not seen as luxury or sporty, as low end cars have them, and it is just seen as an easy driving car if you live in an area with a lot of traffic or just see a car as something to get you from A to B. The premium brands such as Porsche, BMW and Aston Martin have retained or increased their manual range because they realise the gimmick of the flappy paddle has now passed many in the premium market and some want more of an experience than just mashing the accelerator. I posted this video recently but I'll post if again, sums it up perfectly. And this is up against the Porsche PDK, best in the business, not an A10 thing.

Agreed. This guy sums it up perfectly! The Porsche guys revolted when they made the GT3 PDK only. Porsche's answer was to offer a manual at no additional charge!

 

[Zooks527]

The premium brands such as Porsche, BMW and Aston Martin have retained or increased their manual range because they realise the gimmick of the flappy paddle has now passed many in the premium market and some want more of an experience than just mashing the accelerator.

I won't speak to Porsche or Aston Martin, but this is absolutely incorrect with regards to BMW. Manuals are dying in their lineup. You can still find them in the 2 / 3 / 4 series, but the 5 series and up, including the M5, are automatic only, as are all models of the new Z4.

 

[Balr14]

Like you say auto was seen as the "luxury" choice maybe 15-20 years ago, but never the sporty choice. For example, no one in their right mind would have chosen the auto BMW E36 M3 over the manual version, and that has shown in the residuals for other older performance cars as well. Now the auto is not seen as luxury or sporty, as low end cars have them, and it is just seen as an easy driving car if you live in an area with a lot of traffic or just see a car as something to get you from A to B. The premium brands such as Porsche, BMW and Aston Martin have retained or increased their manual range because they realise the gimmick of the flappy paddle has now passed many in the premium market and some want more of an experience than just mashing the accelerator. I posted this video recently but I'll post if again, sums it up perfectly. And this is up against the Porsche PDK, best in the business, not an A10 thing.

Porsche manual transmission sales decline every year, now under 10%. But, they want to have something for everyone, so they changed the valve body in the PDK and added a hydraulic clutch for the manual buyers. BMW manual sales continue to decline and are not available in many models. Other premium brands you didn't mention don't offer manual transmissions at all, or only on low-end models. Try finding a Ferrari, AMG, R8, Z4, Supra or F Type R with manual. The A10 performs very well when compared to the PDK. It's a little slower with manual shifts, but in any auto mode you couldn't tell them apart. The A10 offers more modes and options. Your video is simply one very biased view point. Your opinion is highly selective.

 

[Jmtoast]

A stick is just more fun

A10 is faster and can be more comfy and relaxing but all the fun is in that stick.

Buy what you like

This is my Auto this is my Stick (accidentally grabs dick). One is for Driving one is for Fun. Ahhh basic training for car driving

 

[cosmic charlie]

Porsche manual transmission sales decline every year, now under 10%. But, they want to have something for everyone, so they changed the valve body in the PDK and added a hydraulic clutch for the manual buyers. BMW manual sales continue to decline and are not available in many models. Other premium brands you didn't mention don't offer manual transmissions at all, or only on low-end models. Try finding a Ferrari, AMG, R8, Z4, Supra or F Type R with manual. The A10 performs very well when compared to the PDK. It's a little slower with manual shifts, but in any auto mode you couldn't tell them apart. The A10 offers more modes and options. Your video is simply one very biased view point. Your opinion is highly selective.

Maybe under 10% including everything in the line. Here is a quote from Porsche North America CEO Klaus Zemmler

“I can share with you that two-thirds of all GT3s ordered are being ordered with a manual, and that exceeds our original planning by far.”

 

[Balr14]

Maybe under 10% including everything in the line. Here is a quote from Porsche North America CEO Klaus Zemmler

“I can share with you that two-thirds of all GT3s ordered are being ordered with a manual, and that exceeds our original planning by far.”

Do you have any idea how few GT3 models they sell? It's about 1% of their sales. I've driven manual transmissions all my life. I have a BMW 335i with 6 speed manual. I'm on your side. But, you are beating a dead horse!

 

[marks]

I won't speak to Porsche or Aston Martin, but this is absolutely incorrect with regards to BMW. Manuals are dying in their lineup. You can still find them in the 2 / 3 / 4 series, but the 5 series and up, including the M5, are automatic only, as are all models of the new Z4.

The M5 is not a sports car, more like a saloon for lazy people to travel quickly to 60 in. The Z4 is a posers/hairdressers car so of course they are going to keep it simple.

BMW are retaining their manuals as below. And I quote "Furthermore, Markus Flasch highlighted the decision to keep manuals in the model offer was related to US soil: “We’ve made a conscious decision (with M3 and M4) to continue (to offer manuals) and the market that pushed us very hard to do so was the United States.”"

https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/10/30/manual-transmissions-will-live-on-for-future-bmw-m2-m3-and-m4/

 

[HolubS]

While I love to drive a manual, and have owned several, I love it less in a traffic jam. My 2018 EcoBoost coupe is my daily driver, and the car my wife and I take on vacations, so the A10 is a great option for me.

 

[marks]

Porsche manual transmission sales decline every year, now under 10%. But, they want to have something for everyone, so they changed the valve body in the PDK and added a hydraulic clutch for the manual buyers. BMW manual sales continue to decline and are not available in many models. Other premium brands you didn't mention don't offer manual transmissions at all, or only on low-end models. Try finding a Ferrari, AMG, R8, Z4, Supra or F Type R with manual. The A10 performs very well when compared to the PDK. It's a little slower with manual shifts, but in any auto mode you couldn't tell them apart. The A10 offers more modes and options. Your video is simply one very biased view point. Your opinion is highly selective.

Porsche is there to make money, they would not have reintroduced manuals just so "there is something for everyone" !

See here on manuals from BMW https://www.bmwblog.com/2019/10/30/manual-transmissions-will-live-on-for-future-bmw-m2-m3-and-m4/ . Of course they are not available in every model because most people just want an easy automatic drive to get them from A to B.

Ferrari, R8, AMG are mainly for the posers who can't operate a manual. Yes if you're looking to get the fastest lap time round a track then they makes sense but most people who buy them think a chicane is something you eat.

The PDK is in a different league to the A10, stop deluding yourself.

 

[Sivi70980]

All this time I never thought I disliked autos because I couldn't drive one properly...

As far as rush hour in a manual, the '19 makes it sooooo easy! Don't even need to use the gas pedal, just release the clutch to move and it wont die. Actually almost all my little nit picks with the MT-82 were solved after some ECU learning and my own timing. I'm 100% convinced after nearly 10k miles my car shifts differently now that when brand new because of our time together. Makes me happy and that's all that matters...even if it's approximately 4 gears slower lol.

The auto just isn't my thing, but I do appreciate the A10 for what it is. Best auto I've experienced and with more time, I'm sure it could make me happy too.

 

[cosmic charlie]

All I can say is I own a few of both. (yes I have a PDK) The manual's I have see the most seat time. But hey get what you like!

 

[Balr14]

Are you aware Porsche and others have predictive shifting for their automatics, using GPS on racetracks? I'm pretty sure it isn't legal... yet.

 

[luc]

So this thread is now 7 pages and we haven’t had a single automatic owner facing up to the fact that he doesn’t know how to drive a manual...,the closest we got was someone blaming his wife.... nice

there is no doubt that for a DD, especially in a city, an automatic mustang make sense but, and that was What I I seriously don’t get, if you know how to drive a manual and your Mustang is your second or third car why will you deprive yourself of the pleasure that a manual bring?
Yes, I get it, the 10 speed is faster but how much times do that come into play in real life?
The answer is maybe simply that some of us appreciate different things
The Mustang for me (same as my Viper) is a sport car and I like them basics and raw, a 3rd pedal,
Cloth seat, no navigation, the least amount of electronics, etc

 

[Ecoboosted]

Why do people assume that you bought a Mustang with a automatic you can’t drive a manual?

I got the A10 in my 18’ GT because my 15’ GT with the mt-82 was a POS. I did all the usual fixes Steeda clutch spring, MGW shifter, BG synchro shift fluid and even went a step further installing a stainless steel clutch line. Talk about a notchy shifter? It was so aggravating to drive that car I hated driving it. Going into 2nd and sometimes 3rd made driving irritating. I lived in Florida so driving it cold until fully warmed up didn’t apply to my situation. There are a lot of other people who owned them had problems as well. Some got good ones. Seems quality control is hit or miss.

Ended up trading that car. After a year I got another Mustang. As much as I love manuals and have been driving them for over 40 years from different cars and trucks I’ve owned I wasn’t going to take a chance on another mt-82. The A10 in this car is phenomenal. It’s not a down grade by any means. Sometimes I miss driving a manual but most days I don’t.

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