New 2018 Coyote 5.0 Engine...

[skytop1]

That makes 'sense.' So perhaps Ford will take the old Lincoln 460 out of mothballs, redo the heads and have the valves driven by two cams and vola'! A Mustang with 460 ft. pounds of ground shaking torque.

What goes around...comes around!
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[cchvyd28]

People need to understand something, whats killing this car is not the horsepower, but the torque and the weight. If this car still had 435 hp but 435 lbft and the loaded auto version was scaled around 3730 lbs, things would have been different! I am absolutely positive, Ford will address the torque and weight disadvantage for the s650 models.

Lack of torque is a direct result of engine size. It is the same reason you see 2.0 mitsubishi's making 500hp and 300 ftlb. You can't make more torque without making more hp. HP = (torque*Rpm)/5250. That is why when you look at a dyno graph the tq and hp lines will always intersect at 5250 rpm. The only way to increase tq and keep hp the same would be to lower the rpm, and to do that you would need to add displacement.

But I have been saying for years ford needs to stop dicking around and use the old 5.8 351 so they stop using the displacement excuse.

I do agree on the weight though.

 

[1320']

Lack of torque is a direct result of engine size. It is the same reason you see 2.0 mitsubishi's making 500hp and 300 ftlb. You can't make more torque without making more hp. HP = (torque*Rpm)/5250. That is why when you look at a dyno graph the tq and hp lines will always intersect at 5250 rpm. The only way to increase tq and keep hp the same would be to lower the rpm, and to do that you would need to add displacement.

But I have been saying for years ford needs to stop dicking around and use the old 5.8 351 so they stop using the displacement excuse.

I do agree on the weight though.

The 5.8 line has been shut down and broken up for a while now.

 

[Terminator2]

I just want LS2 grunt down low.

You'll need more displacement or a PD blower for that. Very high compression and E-85 or some other form of "race gas" will help but it won't have as much torque at 2000rpms as a bigger LS motor.

 

[Sasuketr]

Lack of torque is a direct result of engine size. It is the same reason you see 2.0 mitsubishi's making 500hp and 300 ftlb. You can't make more torque without making more hp. HP = (torque*Rpm)/5250. That is why when you look at a dyno graph the tq and hp lines will always intersect at 5250 rpm. The only way to increase tq and keep hp the same would be to lower the rpm, and to do that you would need to add displacement.

But I have been saying for years ford needs to stop dicking around and use the old 5.8 351 so they stop using the displacement excuse.

I do agree on the weight though.

It goes visa versa, torque is a defining parameter of hp, but rpm is playing a big factor here. You can have low torque at high rpm but hp comes out higher due to rpm multiplyer being higher. For example the gt 350 engine. If that engine was only revving up to 6500 rpm, the horse power output would be way below 500. I do agree with the displacement as well, or a light conservative boosted engine. Even a 5.0 lt v8 with a 8 psi boost would work.

These cars really need the low end torque to get going, you can rev it to the moon to get power but, reaching that 8000 rpm takes some time. Once you are moving though and can keep it at high rpms, then no problem. If these cars were sub 3400 lbs than we wouldn't need to have this conversation anyway. Since Ford is obsessed with the ecoboost technology, they should consider it for their top selling iconic cars. Hack even a v6 twin turbo all aluminum s550 would be glorious!

 

[GTRacerX.]

Ford Information Release

When can we expect Ford to give us details regarding the new 5.0 coyote engine?
The suspense is killing me here already. Give us the specs on the new engine already.

 

[skytop1]

R&T magazine suggests :
Here's Why We Think the 2018 Mustang GT Could Make 455 Horsepower

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a32377/2018-ford-mustang-gt-horsepower/

 

[CCCP1999]

You'll need more displacement or a PD blower for that. Very high compression and E-85 or some other form of "race gas" will help but it won't have as much torque at 2000rpms as a bigger LS motor.

I would give anything to have my modded LS2 from my C6 in my GT. That C6 was nuts down low.

 

[TexArmageddon]

People need to understand something, whats killing this car is not the horsepower, but the torque and the weight. If this car still had 435 hp but 435 lbft and the loaded auto version was scaled around 3730 lbs, things would have been different! I am absolutely positive, Ford will address the torque and weight disadvantage for the s650 models.

What's killing the car is maintaining Price with weight and torque.... I bet money the s550 gained weight due to pricing and the S650 will gain weight too unless the car dramatically loses a large physical size.

 

[Sasuketr]

What's killing the car is maintaining Price with weight and torque.... I bet money the s550 gained weight due to pricing and the S650 will gain weight too unless the car dramatically loses a large physical size.

Hell no! I don't think Ford would do that. Competition is loosing weight and gaining power. We might even see lighter challengers and chargers by then. Honestly, Dodge doesn't even need to do anything to that 6.4 lt hemi. Give it a 10 speed fast shifting auto, reduce the weight to even current mustangs weight. Glorious 485 hp 475 lbft 3700 lb Hell Kitten

 

[Laztug]

I would give anything to have my modded LS2 from my C6 in my GT. That C6 was nuts down low.

Say no more, I will swap you an ls2 for your 5.0.

What are you all pulling with these cars?
All the bitching about the 5.0s lack of torque made me question my own cars. I just don't get it! My cars have no problems blowing up my tires.

the old 460 motor made 212HP @ 4400RPM, with 342 "pounds of ground shaking torque" @ 2800RPM. Why would you want to bring that back?

 

[Twin Turbo]

When can we expect Ford to give us details regarding the new 5.0 coyote engine?
The suspense is killing me here already. Give us the specs on the new engine already.

Be prepared for a wait.

As I was reminded yesterday, the order banks for the 2015s opened late April/early May time, and we didn't get specs until July!!

 

[1320']

What's killing the car is maintaining Price with weight and torque.... I bet money the s550 gained weight due to pricing and the S650 will gain weight too unless the car dramatically loses a large physical size.

The S650 is going to be on a whole new platform that we have zero info on.

It's too early to speculate on it at all.

 

[TexArmageddon]

The S650 is going to be on a whole new platform that we have zero info on.

It's too early to speculate on it at all.

You mean like the info everyone got on the s550 and how much weight it would shed until months before release it was relayed it gained weight over previous models?

You can't have it all guys... As long as ford is trying to keep the middle man in and keep prices down the car will either get smaller, stay within a similar weight range, or pick up weight... I made this same call with both the FRS and Current gen SS...

It's not hard to guess what the Mustang GT will have for a starting price in 2020..

 

[GTRacerX.]

Think it could be more ...

R&T magazine suggests :
Here's Why We Think the 2018 Mustang GT Could Make 455 Horsepower

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/news/a32377/2018-ford-mustang-gt-horsepower/

I've always said that if Ford comes out with only a 20 HP bump I will be really disappointed. Higher compression, Dual Direct port injection, New 5.0 engine only carry over is the crank. Ford would be crazy if they put all that effort into a 20 HP only increase. I always said 475-500. Draw your own conclusions !

:cheers: ;) :ford:

https://blog.americanmuscle.com/2017...18-mustang-gt/

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