2017 gt350 engine failure

[Voodooo]

Huh.

I guess when you say a lot eventually you will say some things that contradict. I would like to see the best of everything in the Voodoo engine. I bet most of us would.

I'm not saying Ford does everything perfectly or that they never try to get out of spending money to fix something that was their fault. I'm not even saying I trust Ford. What I am saying is that I don't know. I would be willing to bet there are good reasons for the way the parts are currently constructed. Hopefully it's not only cost, and hopefully most failures that end up with broken OPGs originate somewhere else.

Correct. Did I say "every gear"?
Admit it, powdered opg's are a dumb choice no matter what kind of car it's
in.
I don't know what kind of material my f150s have and it may very well have powdered opg's. I'm not sure on the ecoboost engines. But I am more confident starting that up in the dead of a Michigan winter while it sat outside all night then I would be my gt350 which is parked in a heated central air garage. I do know the F150s 5.0 uses a different OPG but made also from powdered metal. I have no fear of starting my f150 5.0 which uses 5w20 and going outside start it up and drive off with out a worry.
But like I keep saying, the 5.2 has a lot against it when it comes to the opg's. The main reason is vibrations and the oil

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[stanglife]

Correct. Did I say "every gear"?
Admit it, powdered opg's are a dumb choice no matter what kind of car it's
in.
I don't know what kind of material my f150s have and it may very well have powdered opg's. I'm not sure on the ecoboost engines. But I am more confident starting that up in the dead of a Michigan winter while it sat outside all night then I would be my gt350 which is parked in a heated central air garage. I do know the F150s 5.0 uses a different OPG but made also from powdered metal. I have no fear of starting my f150 5.0 which uses 5w20 and going outside start it up and drive off with out a worry.
But like I keep saying, the 5.2 has a lot against it when it comes to the opg's. The main reason is vibrations and the oil

Dumb for durability of that particular part, I agree... that's just another thing that makes me consider my conspiracy theory about something else failing, sending debris into the OPG, then the gear failing. "IF" Ford knew the OPG self-destructed when, let's say..a bearing spins or scars, it might explain why they aren't spending more money to put stronger ones in. Why spend the money when the engine generally needs to be replaced/rebuilt anyway?

OPGs seems to run pretty tight and I could see them being very intolerant to any little bit of debris.

 

[Voodooo]

Dumb for durability of that particular part, I agree... that's just another thing that makes me consider my conspiracy theory about something else failing, sending debris into the OPG, then the gear failing. "IF" Ford knew the OPG self-destructed when, let's say..a bearing spins or scars, it might explain why they aren't spending more money to put stronger ones in. Why spend the money when the engine generally needs to be replaced/rebuilt anyway?

OPGs seems to run pretty tight and I could see them being very intolerant to any little bit of debris.

I hear you and agree also. It very well can be something else. I admit I'm speculating. We all are. I also know ford will never tell us. But for me, I will still change my gears out. If something else fails after that, I guess I'm out 25k on another engine. Or I'll go all out and pin the bearings, build it my way and go for the gold.

 

[chase527]

Update, service advisor said there were large amounts of metal in the oil that was drained. New motor was sent today form ford, should take 2-5 days to arrive and a few days to install. I also communicated with my lemon law attorney and she wants to look at the work order before possibly accepting the case.

 

[Voodooo]

Can you ask if it's OPG fragments or is it small debris? I wish they would be more specific! We need to know more about this than just small talk. The dealer needs to be more informative.
I'm curious is it alloy or iron. Is it magnetic? I'd like to see an oil analyst on the oil.

 

[RadBOSS]

I have not been able to find a schematic for the oil circuit on the VOODOO engine, but historically an external engine oil cooler system with a engine oil cooler, has a thermostatically controlled valve that forces oil to bypass the oilcooler, thus ensuring faster warmup of the engine oil. The bypass will close after reaching operating temperature. Would be interesting if that is still the case with these high performance motors.

 

[Hack]

I have not been able to find a schematic for the oil circuit on the VOODOO engine, but historically an external engine oil cooler system with a engine oil cooler, has a thermostatically controlled valve that forces oil to bypass the oilcooler, thus ensuring faster warmup of the engine oil. The bypass will close after reaching operating temperature. Would be interesting if that is still the case with these high performance motors.

If there is a thermostat, it doesn't do much. For instance, if it's 30 degrees outside the oil will only get up to 170 F. IMO, that's not warm enough.

 

[chase527]

I spoke with a co-worker who actually heard my engine fail from two blocks away when It occurred upon acceleration. He told me he heard a loud pop and at first he thought I had missed a gear when shifting, I didn't miss a gear but just thought I wanted to share information to possibly further discussion of possible causes. Again all I've been told is that there was metal found in drained oil and that the motor was not going to be opened up by dealer. New motor is currently on its way.

 

[Epiphany]

I have not been able to find a schematic for the oil circuit on the VOODOO engine...

 

[barstowpo]

Epiphany is the man.

 

[Zitrosounds]

Thank you. This helps to better understand why my engine failed. Initially left bank exhaust cam phaser failed. That was replaced amd the engine was still running bad then they pulled the filter and found metal. Pretty certain fro. Looking at this diagram it was not the OPG in my case.

 

[Voodooo]

Thank you. This helps to better understand why my engine failed. Initially left bank exhaust cam phaser failed. That was replaced amd the engine was still running bad then they pulled the filter and found metal. Pretty certain fro. Looking at this diagram it was not the OPG in my case.

Are you saying the cam phaser broke into pieces?

 

[Zitrosounds]

Are you saying the cam phaser broke into pieces?

No! Not all. What I am saying is the oil flowing to the phaser is after passage through the filter and metal was found in the filter. My theory is that metal is what cuased the phaser to fail. Where did the metal come from? Crank bearing maybe?

 

[Voodooo]

No! Not all. What I am saying is the oil flowing to the phaser is after passage through the filter and metal was found in the filter. My theory is that metal is what cuased the phaser to fail. Where did the metal come from? Crank bearing maybe?

Without knowing what kind of metal it is we don't know. I'm still leaning towards opg's.

 

[stanglife]

The question is did you have a sudden loss of oil pressure?

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