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I think the tune is totally safe, as with most tunes by companies that know what they are doing. It sucks that it does cut the warranty down 2 years and really makes this a trade off.

I personally been closely following this thread, bouncing back and forth of what to do...get this tune and other parts, get a real 93 tune and other parts, get the roush P2 SC, or just leave it alone for now.... But my itch to mod is strong.

As someone else mentioned before, there seems to be a mixed consensus weather this tune/pack is worth it or not. Some say its disappointing, some say they like it alot. I wonder where the difference in opinion is coming from? Expectations? Fuel being used? Auto vs. Manual? The KAM thing that needs time to relearn or be manually reset?

Looking at the dynos, this is pack good for about 20WHP and 8 Peak TQ but up to about +30TQ gains under the curve. You would assume that is a difference you would feel and even see if you were to race side by side vs. a identical stock gt. But that is not what another user posted happened when he raced his buddys stock gt. But then someone goes to the 1/4 mile track and drops .2 tenths and picks up a couple mph with this pack vs. stock. Maybe you just wouldn't see a couple tenths on the street? Im not sure. I was really planning on originally getting this pack, but this thread has kinda left me confused about it all.
The kit is focused on the demographic that places warranty over performance. It is definitely not the best bang for your buck or night and day difference like some options, but if you look at it for what it is, a warranty friendly mild upgrade, it is a viable option.
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The kit is focused on the demographic that places warranty over performance. It is definitely not the best bang for your buck or night and day difference like some options, but if you look at it for what it is, a warranty friendly mild upgrade, it is a viable option.
I’d add that emissions compliance and ECU integrity should be other factors. Californians and others that are required to follow California’s emissions rules (practically all of the Northeast U.S.) should be accounted into the equation. As far as I have seen, no third-party tuner, except Roush and Ford Performance, can generate a tune for total emissions compliance and ensure that their customers can legitimately pass emissions testing. Roush and Ford Performance have CARB E.O. numbers for their tunes. While tunes can be flashed/reflashed to avoid the ire of Big Brother (or your conscience), the odds of bricking an ECU rise with each flash sequence from either a bad tune programming sequence or corrupted software code. Honestly, I’d prefer a one-and-done tune. I have my Volvo XC90 flashed with a Polestar tune. Volvo backs the Polestar tune with a full factory warranty, including extended warranty coverage if purchased with the vehicle. It would be nice if Ford did this as well. I think that they’d sell more of their tunes/performance packs.
 

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I’d add that emissions compliance and ECU integrity should be other factors. Californians and others that are required to follow California’s emissions rules (practically all of the Northeast U.S.) should be accounted into the equation. As far as I have seen, no third-party tuner, except Roush and Ford Performance, can generate a tune for total emissions compliance and ensure that their customers can legitimately pass emissions testing. Roush and Ford Performance have CARB E.O. numbers for their tunes. While tunes can be flashed/reflashed to avoid the ire of Big Brother (or your conscience), the odds of bricking an ECU rise with each flash sequence from either a bad tune programming sequence or corrupted software code. Honestly, I’d prefer a one-and-done tune. I have my Volvo XC90 flashed with a Polestar tune. Volvo backs the Polestar tune with a full factory warranty, including extended warranty coverage if purchased with the vehicle. It would be nice if Ford did this as well. I think that they’d sell more of their tunes/performance packs.

Emissions is one thing, having the cars warranty voided is another. In cali it used to be you can run a stage one tune (keeps cats in place and still monitors all readiness codes). Now in Cali they look at the CVN. The CVN is computed by the emission-related control units and is typically a more complex variation of a check-sum calculation to verify the integrity of the data in the control unit. If its off by one byte you fail.

Im not really worried about the FRPP warranty, as most serious mechanical issues will rear their head before 36k miles. Hopefully anyway...after the warranty as long as you can return the car to stock to smog it no worries get an E85 tune and go from there.
 
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Exactly. If this tune from Ford is so safe, then why does it void 2 years of the original power train warranty.
You want to know why? Because it doesn't. Didn't you read the post directly above yours? Ford won't cover the parts from the power pack or anything damaged as a direct result of said pack. That doesn't mean it's "voided."
 

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The original warranty does not get voided! If a failure arises prior to the 36 mo or 36 k mark that is caused by the tune then Ford performance picks up the tab. If it is not caused by the tune then the original Ford warranty covers you! There was a post by Ford performance in one of the two tune pac threads explained it fully. It might have been in the levittown group buy thread.
 

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No e85 near me, and I'm not really interested in voiding my warranty by running more than e15 anyway.
If something happens to your car, and they find leaded race gas in your tank, you run a greater risk of warranty rejection than if they found a little extra ethanol.
 

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Although many do it with a tune, alcohol affects things other than A/F ratio. It's very corrosive to seals that aren't designed to handle it, and there are issues with water created by alcohol. For me personally, it's not worth the risk. I plan to have my car for a long time, and I'm not doing something that has potential long term to do damage. Ford says don't do it, that's good enough for me
The seals in this engine are perfectly fine for E85. You are thinking of older engines, back when the seal material was not correct for the solvency of alcohols. I have worked in the fuels industry and in fuel system development. The only things people need to worry about with E85, is long term storage and deposit formation. Ethanol does have a high affinity for water, but it also binds well with it, so most moisture is just burned in the engine without any issue. You can have greater moisture absorption over months of storage, which could theoretically lead to issues from moisture, but it isn't the norm. However, ethanol does have a tendency to break down and go rancid over time, so it isn't suggested that you leave it in the tank if you have to store the vehicle. The deposit issue is generally caused by the corrosion inhibitors in ethanol fuels. They lead to increased injector deposits and IVD, but this can be reduced or eliminated by using a polyetheramine detergent or occasionally running a tank of top tier 93. Fuel lines and seals are at minimal risk in a modern car. There are other issues, like HP pump roller polishing, that occur when running E99, but that isn't a common fuel for the USA.
 

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So i have a couple places where i live to but gas and i was wondering what would be better. I can get Shell 91 which is 0% ethanol and Petro Canada which has 94 with up to 10% ethanol. Would the Shell gas be the better choice since it has 0% ethanol?
 

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If you're getting a tune for 93 octane, definitely go for the Petro Can 94. If it's a 91 tune, save the $ and go Shell.
 

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So i have a couple places where i live to but gas and i was wondering what would be better. I can get Shell 91 which is 0% ethanol and Petro Canada which has 94 with up to 10% ethanol. Would the Shell gas be the better choice since it has 0% ethanol?

No question, the 94 octane with 10% ethanol.
 

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So i have a couple places where i live to but gas and i was wondering what would be better. I can get Shell 91 which is 0% ethanol and Petro Canada which has 94 with up to 10% ethanol. Would the Shell gas be the better choice since it has 0% ethanol?
94 with 10% e. Higher octane fuel plus e for cooling effects and more knock resistance.
 

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The original warranty does not get voided! If a failure arises prior to the 36 mo or 36 k mark that is caused by the tune then Ford performance picks up the tab. If it is not caused by the tune then the original Ford warranty covers you! There was a post by Ford performance in one of the two tune pac threads explained it fully. It might have been in the levittown group buy thread.
The original power train warranty is 5 years and 60K miles. The power train warranty with the FRPP tune is 3 years and 36K miles. So how are we not losing 2 years and 24K miles? Once again, if the tune is so safe, then why is the original factory warranty affected in any way?
 

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The original power train warranty is 5 years and 60K miles. The power train warranty with the FRPP tune is 3 years and 36K miles. So how are we not losing 2 years and 24K miles? Once again, if the tune is so safe, then why is the original factory warranty affected in any way?
https://performanceparts.ford.com/download/PDFS/fpp-warranty.pdf

Performance Packs and Component Parts Performance Packs and Components are warranted for factory-supplied material or workmanship when correctly and completely installed on a late model Ford vehicle by an authorized Ford or Lincoln Dealer, Shelby American, Inc., or an automotive service technician certified by the Institute for Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) or endorsed by the Red Seal Program (RSE). This Performance Packs and Components Limited Warranty begins upon installation and registration of the part(s) with Ford Performance and remains in effect for the balance of 36 months or 36,000 miles / 60,000 kilometres, whichever occurs first, calculated from the start date of the manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Installation of these select Ford Performance warranted performance packs and components by an authorized installer will NOT void your New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Engine, driveline and suspension concerns not caused by the use of Ford Performance parts remain eligible for warranty coverage according to the terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Ford Performance parts are aftermarket parts. The use of Ford Performance parts may impact the performance characteristics of other systems of the vehicle. Even when operating properly, Ford Performance parts, such as these, have the potential to adversely impact other systems of the vehicle. If an adverse impact is caused by a warranted Ford Performance pack or component, the period and coverage of this Ford Performance Limited Warranty applies to the repairs.
 

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https://performanceparts.ford.com/download/PDFS/fpp-warranty.pdf

Performance Packs and Component Parts Performance Packs and Components are warranted for factory-supplied material or workmanship when correctly and completely installed on a late model Ford vehicle by an authorized Ford or Lincoln Dealer, Shelby American, Inc., or an automotive service technician certified by the Institute for Automotive Service Excellence (ASE) or endorsed by the Red Seal Program (RSE). This Performance Packs and Components Limited Warranty begins upon installation and registration of the part(s) with Ford Performance and remains in effect for the balance of 36 months or 36,000 miles / 60,000 kilometres, whichever occurs first, calculated from the start date of the manufacturer's New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Installation of these select Ford Performance warranted performance packs and components by an authorized installer will NOT void your New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Engine, driveline and suspension concerns not caused by the use of Ford Performance parts remain eligible for warranty coverage according to the terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. Ford Performance parts are aftermarket parts. The use of Ford Performance parts may impact the performance characteristics of other systems of the vehicle. Even when operating properly, Ford Performance parts, such as these, have the potential to adversely impact other systems of the vehicle. If an adverse impact is caused by a warranted Ford Performance pack or component, the period and coverage of this Ford Performance Limited Warranty applies to the repairs.

Thank you, this is exactly what I'm saying. This is a tune that changes many engine and transmission parameters as well as the throttle body and air intake. So if you have any engine or transmission issues after the 3/36 is over, Ford is going to blame it on the tune. Otherwise, the tune would just be covered by the original factory warranty. The fact that Ford won't just cover the tune as part of the original factory warranty should tell you that they will try to use the tune to deny power train claims after the 3/36 is over.
 

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Warranty is only one part, the fact that's it has a CARB EO# is the other factor. I agree yes there is more power to be had probably with other tunes or going to E85, but you will have issues with warranty (first 3 years on a new car, such as mine) and dealing with emissions. I don't think anyone was disputing the fact that you give up 2 years. To be honest I believe if something is going to happen to the drive-line it will rear its head before this would happen, hopefully!!

Also at $1000 this isn't bad. Just from the cost of the parts you will get to $1000. Coming from the BMW world I am in heaven with the costs to modify compared to BMW, Porsche world.
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