New 2018 Coyote 5.0 Engine...

[MadCow]

Obviously I don't know but yes I would hope so, I'd rather see something with lower displacement and twin turbod. I'm just speculating but over a decade of the same engine and using it through 3 generations does not make sense to me.

You realize the first mod motor came out in 91 and and the last 4.6 was made in 2014. I think they might even still make the V10. The Windsor came out in the 60s and was in exploders in the 2000s. if it's a good design and meets the needs just keep making it. Get the bugs out and there will be plenty of parts around. Look at how far ahead of it's time the Cleveland engine was. John Kasse beat all manor of modern motors several times with an old Ford 400 in the EMC just a few years ago. Ford changes manual transmissions more than I change underwear and it sux. I have always wished they would have just stuck a Tremec 6 speed in all the cars like GM did and be done with it.

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[veeefour]

Reading must be hard for you. The car will also have port injection.

Actually he is correct - additional port injection will help for sure but this idea was already tested and there's still a massive carbon build-up - nothing dramatic like FSI engines but still a problem.

 

[EFI]

Near total redesign? not even close. its a mid cycle refresh NOT anything close to a total redesign.

MY2018 is same body windshield back just new rear bumper new front clip and interior isnt even all that different besides the gauge cluster. New engine is really just a coyote with both direct injection and traditional port injection also.

Its NOT a total redesign hence its still a S550 mustang.......

Clearly this thread/discussion is purely around the engine and nothing else. So while the car itself is as you put it a mild mid cycle refresh, the engine is a whole different story.

The 13 coyote engine was a mild mid cycle refresh, with just a few small things different than the 12. 99% of that engine is the same between the two years.

Now the 18 coyote engine is supposedly entirely new, with the only carryover piece being the crankshaft. I would say that falls into the "complete redesign" of the engine with the only thing remaining the same is the displacement.

 

[thehunterooo]

Obviously I don't know but yes I would hope so, I'd rather see something with lower displacement and twin turbod. I'm just speculating but over a decade of the same engine and using it through 3 generations does not make sense to me.

I think that is the next step for the big 3. I would expect to see smaller displacements V8s with a turbo or two within the next 10 or so years (maybe even sooner). But before that where would Ford go after the redesigned 5.0?

 

[GTRacerX.]

Loving this quote !!

"It's not about the miles per gallon it's about the smiles per gallon"

Thats what I keep saying, but heck if you can get both the smile will be wider. ;)

 

[OrangeStang]

Honestly speaking here. Like it really matters if the 2018 comes out with 20, 30, 40hp more. 90% of you mod the hell out of your current Mustang and will be faster than the 2018 stock.

 

[Kong76]

Its more than just a hp bump that has me interested.

 

[BMR Tech]

I am surprised that no one has guessed at a new, stronger engine block - and thought about the irony of the 289 miles...and the 4700 RPM. A 289.X" engine is 47XX liters.

If the only thing coming back over is the crank, a slightly smaller bore for more outer cylinder strength seems to make total sense?

Just throwing that out there since no one else has.

That said, I think the new block will be a revised 5.2L engine block...personally.

As for all of the theories about the engines, and the MY being a "complete redesign" etc....keep in mind, a complete redesign is when the new chassis is announced.

For example, a 94-98 Mustang SN95 is extremely similar to a 99-04 Mustang New Edge. Same as a 79-93 being identical to the 94-95 models. etc.

As for the engine - also keep in mind, Ford released the 4.6 DOHC 4V in a high performance car in mass, for the 1996 Cobra. The engine was revamped for the 1999 MY....and yet again, in 2003 -2004. The 03-04 DOHC engine was pretty unique and different than the previous years, and yet the engine was scrapped for the 2005 MY. Just food for thought.

 

[Grimace427]

and thought about the irony of the 289 miles...and the 4700 RPM. A 289.X" engine is 47XX liters.

That was brought up quite a bit when the instrument cluster image was first posted a few weeks ago.

 

[BMR Tech]

That was brought up quite a bit when the instrument cluster image was first posted a few weeks ago.

Ah! oops. I haven't really paid much attention to it all....and this thread is the first time I have even seen the clusters.

Shows you how deep my head is in the suspension stuff. lol

 

[Grimace427]

Shows you how deep my head is in the suspension stuff. lol

And we all thank you so very much for your experience with Mustang suspensions! Full BMR rear suspension on my 2011! :cheers:

 

[theman]

Toyota/Lexus are using a very tried and true Direct & Port combo since 2008. The Lexus RCF currently runs a DOHC 5.0 with 467 HP in a very similar engine layout to ford's coyote.
Toyota's bread & butter 3.5 V6 gained 30HP and an MPG by adding direct to port injection. The Big T went this route later in the DI game specifically to avoid the issues early DI only adopters had with carbon buildup and warranty claim issues.

Ford going this route on the coyote is a great addition to a proven platform... a 40hp boost of the current 5.0 performance along with increase in MPG is an easy win without even making any other improvements.

 

[MadCow]

I am surprised that no one has guessed at a new, stronger engine block - and thought about the irony of the 289 miles...and the 4700 RPM. A 289.X" engine is 47XX liters.

If the only thing coming back over is the crank, a slightly smaller bore for more outer cylinder strength seems to make total sense?

Just throwing that out there since no one else has.

That said, I think the new block will be a revised 5.2L engine block...personally.

As for all of the theories about the engines, and the MY being a "complete redesign" etc....keep in mind, a complete redesign is when the new chassis is announced.

For example, a 94-98 Mustang SN95 is extremely similar to a 99-04 Mustang New Edge. Same as a 79-93 being identical to the 94-95 models. etc.

As for the engine - also keep in mind, Ford released the 4.6 DOHC 4V in a high performance car in mass, for the 1996 Cobra. The engine was revamped for the 1999 MY....and yet again, in 2003 -2004. The 03-04 DOHC engine was pretty unique and different than the previous years, and yet the engine was scrapped for the 2005 MY. Just food for thought.

It's already been stated that the displacement is increased a hair to 5.0XX. Also the GTs are sportin 5.0 badges so a 4.7 is unlikely. I for one would prefer to see the bores thickened up a bit but with the plasma liners we still may get some extra bore material for strength. Also, the 4V 4.6 came out in 1993 in the Mark VIII. To add to your point, Ford made the Voodoo which probably shares very few parts with the coyote for a very limited number of motors.

 

[Cardude99]

You realize the first mod motor came out in 91 and and the last 4.6 was made in 2014. I think they might even still make the V10. The Windsor came out in the 60s and was in exploders in the 2000s. if it's a good design and meets the needs just keep making it. Get the bugs out and there will be plenty of parts around. Look at how far ahead of it's time the Cleveland engine was. John Kasse beat all manor of modern motors several times with an old Ford 400 in the EMC just a few years ago. Ford changes manual transmissions more than I change underwear and it sux. I have always wished they would have just stuck a Tremec 6 speed in all the cars like GM did and be done with it.

That is a good point, I didn't consider that as I was focusing on just the mustangs recent lineage. 04 to 05 new v8 engine, 10 to 11 new v8 engine. Kinda figured the next Gen would get a new engine based off that since the s550 did not.

 

[Cardude99]

I think that is the next step for the big 3. I would expect to see smaller displacements V8s with a turbo or two within the next 10 or so years (maybe even sooner). But before that where would Ford go after the redesigned 5.0?

Good question, I don't think there is anywhere else to go other than a 3.8 to 4.2 v8 tt engine. Perhaps, I hope not, but perhaps a hybrid v8.

I like torque but I am still not sold on electric vehicles.

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