Off to a rough start with 2016 GT

[ice445]

Yup, I have been working on multiple plans depending on what happens. Honestly I would be reluctant/scared to buy a used engine after this fiasco. I don't want another lemon and am not confident in avoiding one.

New long blocks, if you can find them, seem to be $7,500 and up. I see reman ones with a 3 or 5 year unlimited mileage warranty for $5,500 at places like https://fraserengineco.com/5-0-liter-ford-coyote-engines/. Never heard of them before but that doesn't mean much. Lots of great places I have never heard of. Or is my long blick worth trying to have rebuilt or is this a risky move?

I think all the accessories and stuff like intake, starter, injectors etc on the engine now are fine to re-use on a new long block.

I may work on this as my winter project, hiring some help for the pulling and reinstalling steps that require two people including one that has done it on a newer Mustang before.

I just can't stay much longer under this stress and negatively because it takes a toll on me. I am only a few years removed from nearly permanently cashing in my chips over some plugged up heart injectors, i mean arteries.

If you can afford a new longblock that's probably the move here. Heads may be savable, but they will have to be removed and checked by a machine shop. A new short block is under $5k, so if you can get away with just that you can save a lot of money.

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[luca1290]

I just can't stay much longer under this stress and negativity because it takes a toll on me. I am only a few years removed from nearly permanently cashing in my chips over some plugged up heart injectors, i mean arteries.

So don't. I've followed all along your misadventure and for what it's worth I'm sorry, you made a lot of works in a professional way but you didn't realize these people basically scammed the hell out of you selling you a car with an engine well fucked up. They exploited your good consideration of the human race. They are at fault, not you.

One of the many lessons my wife told me is to value my time and health. You seem to enjoy staying around engines, so here's my piece of advice: do not pursue the legal road.
You made works on the car yourself so it does not resemble anymore how it was delivered, in any court this will look like you tampered with it. You made it with the best intentions and for sure in a good way but now you are at a point of not return.

Put a new/reman motor in the car and enjoy it, before please check very well the rest of the car (plug Forscan and at least and check for any DTC and make a self test of every ECU in the car). Then go out and enjoy the car the next spring. By that time you would have moved on and forgotten the "Mint Auto Sales" and your experience would have grown.

 

[Qcman17]

So don't. I've followed all along your misadventure and for what it's worth I'm sorry, you made a lot of works in a professional way but you didn't realize these people basically scammed the hell out of you selling you a car with an engine well fucked up. They exploited your good consideration of the human race. They are at fault, not you.

One of the many lessons my wife told me is to value my time and health. You seem to enjoy staying around engines, so here's my piece of advice: do not pursue the legal road.
You made works on the car yourself so it does not resemble anymore how it was delivered, in any court this will look like you tampered with it. You made it with the best intentions and for sure in a good way but now you are at a point of not return.

Put a new/reman motor in the car and enjoy it, before please check very well the rest of the car (plug Forscan and at least and check for any DTC and make a self test of every ECU in the car). Then go out and enjoy the car the next spring. By that time you would have moved on and forgotten the "Mint Auto Sales" and your experience would have grown.

I have followed it all along as well and have had the exact same thought about him trying to fix it with good intentions. The time to go back at the dealer was right after it came off the truck and before trying numerous substantial repairs. And I agree the legal route is likely closed due to these changes to the car.

And looking for another engine is likely the best approach at this time so the OP can hopefully move on and enjoy the car.

 

[Canuckican]

So don't. I've followed all along your misadventure and for what it's worth I'm sorry, you made a lot of works in a professional way but you didn't realize these people basically scammed the hell out of you selling you a car with an engine well fucked up. They exploited your good consideration of the human race. They are at fault, not you.

One of the many lessons my wife told me is to value my time and health. You seem to enjoy staying around engines, so here's my piece of advice: do not pursue the legal road.
You made works on the car yourself so it does not resemble anymore how it was delivered, in any court this will look like you tampered with it. You made it with the best intentions and for sure in a good way but now you are at a point of not return.

Put a new/reman motor in the car and enjoy it, before please check very well the rest of the car (plug Forscan and at least and check for any DTC and make a self test of every ECU in the car). Then go out and enjoy the car the next spring. By that time you would have moved on and forgotten the "Mint Auto Sales" and your experience would have grown.

I think you hit the nail on the head. This all hit home. It's very naive of me to think that most people want to do the right thing if you give them the chance. The dealership could not care less about screwing over a customer.

This is my 7th Mustang and I plan on keeping this for a long time. The car will have 60K miles on it but the engine will be a young-un. Other than my 1973 Mustang rusting away to dust in record time, this is the first significant issues I have had with any of them.

I think that over the next month or so I will pull the engine and at least strip it down as far as removing the heads. Should be quite a horror-show. I will be careful to make sure it will qualify for the core charge against a new long block.

If it doesn't make financial sense to have the heads and short block rebuilt, I also need to find a not-too-expensive new or re-manufactured long block. It sounds like this is not an easy task right now. I am not interested in buying a junkyard engine. I mean I have in the past, but not this time.

Also start collecting the other parts I will need. I hope I can re-use things like the oil pan, timing cover, valve cover and the like. I'll get all new gaskets and seals, new oil pump, water pump, thermostat etc. Most likely radiator hoses, serpentine belts, tensioner/idler pulleys too while they're easy to reach. The starter and alternator still seem to work well. Same with the radiator.

I can probably rent an engine hoist for a few days but I will probably do some searching around for a good quality engine stand. Not sure what I need to do to properly drain the AC.

I think today is the day I try to install the 91 Lund tune and see if it will at least start. It hasn't started since the day it was delivered and I put gas in the fumes-only fuel tank. I know even if it does start, it'll not be what it should be.

 

[luca1290]

I think you hit the nail on the head. This all hit home. It's very naive of me to think that most people want to do the right thing if you give them the chance.

I don't think that's naive of you. This forum and the people within it (with our good and bad days, and consequent scornful posts sometimes) are useful resources and here you can find people that can virtually - and sometimes even in person - help you. And most of us try to do the right thing, given the circumstances.

The dealership could not care less about screwing over a customer.

...and that's them. But don't let a bad experience turn your hopeful view of the world, dim.
It's for sure a lesson learnt for the next time! (I don't want to sound presumptuous, I'm just trying to put things into perspective).

Best of luck with the rebuild and, if you can, keep the post updated while you work on it!

Cheers!

 

[Canuckican]

Okay, now this one this morning made me laugh a bit. I figured I could at least recoup a bit of lost money by selling the 2018 intake and 47 pound injectors that came on the car since I've reinstalled the original intake and injectors. I was taking advantage of the nice, late October Wisconsin weather and was starting to clean up the manifold. As I was blowing the dust off of it and looking at it closer, I thought I saw something on the one end runner that was probably not supposed to be there. Does anyone want to buy this intake now??

 

[HKusp]

So I broke a ring land on mine back on June 2nd. I am currently in the middle of what you are going to do. It can be expensive and frustrating, but I think in the end, you will feel really good about what you have accomplished, in spite of the reasons you HAD to accomplish it. I sourced my own new block and crank. Then went to upgrading all the internals I could with a rebuild kit that included Manley pistons and rods, with Clevite bearings, etc. I had a machine shop balance the assembly and put the short block together. I had some head damage so I had the same machine shop repair, rebuild and port them, with upgraded springs, retainers, locators, etc. The heads are supposed to be finished this week, so I intend to start on putting it all back together knowing that it will be fresh and improved, everywhere I could afford to. It has been a real pain in the dick up until this point, and I am sure more pains is to come, but in the end, it will be a fresh built, very stout engine, that should take everything I throw at it for a long time to come.

Keep your chin up. Move on and move forward.

 

[Canuckican]

So I broke a ring land on mine back on June 2nd. I am currently in the middle of what you are going to do. It can be expensive and frustrating, but I think in the end, you will feel really good about what you have accomplished, in spite of the reasons you HAD to accomplish it. I sourced my own new block and crank. Then went to upgrading all the internals I could with a rebuild kit that included Manley pistons and rods, with Clevite bearings, etc. I had a machine shop balance the assembly and put the short block together. I had some head damage so I had the same machine shop repair, rebuild and port them, with upgraded springs, retainers, locators, etc. The heads are supposed to be finished this week, so I intend to start on putting it all back together knowing that it will be fresh and improved, everywhere I could afford to. It has been a real pain in the dick up until this point, and I am sure more pains is to come, but in the end, it will be a fresh built, very stout engine, that should take everything I throw at it for a long time to come.

Keep your chin up. Move on and move forward.

Thank you. Your words of encouragement do help!

I really strive to be a positive person after too many years spent doing the opposite. I admire your approach and bet your chest deservedly sticks out a bit when your own Coyote roars to life!

 

[slime_bullet]

If im reading correctly, you pulled all spark plugs out before doing the compression test?

 

[Canuckican]

If im reading correctly, you pulled all spark plugs out before doing the compression test?

Yes I did.

 

[K4fxd]

Did you get a good deal on this car? Did you buy it where you can put an extra 10K into it? My other concern is if the engine was abused to this extent what about the trans and rear? Are you going to be rebuilding them next?

You are a lot more forgiving than me.

I'm also assuming you have none of the promises in writing? Still a dealer is breaking federal law by selling a car without cats and other emissions equipment. Selling across State lines might bring in other charges. Personally I would make them pay.

Good luck, I hope this ends well with you having a car you enjoy.

 

[Canuckican]

Did you get a good deal on this car? Did you buy it where you can put an extra 10K into it? My other concern is if the engine was abused to this extent what about the trans and rear? Are you going to be rebuilding them next?

You are a lot more forgiving than me.

I'm also assuming you have none of the promises in writing? Still a dealer is breaking federal law by selling a car without cats and other emissions equipment. Selling across State lines might bring in other charges. Personally I would make them pay.

Good luck, I hope this ends well with you having a car you enjoy.

It started off as a decent deal. Now, not so much.

I never said anything about forgiving. ;) I hope many awful things befall them.

They are spouting "as-is" as a get out of jail free card. I am stuck with no great options. Pay $10K to lawyers and probably still end up right where I am now but with the added joy of dealing with lawyers for the next few years? My apologies to any lawyers on here. There are some good ones in your field too.

I think I am at the point now where I may just need to eat this as the price of my mistake in how poorly I handled this transaction. Definitely pissed off about it too. I'll tolerate a lot of shit but being bullied and otherwise pushed around is not on that list. I learned that playing hockey from a very young age. And I am warning as many people as possible about what happened and with whom it happened. This is not nearly as satisfying as something medieval but it's not worth going to prison over. My wife and Mom were always concerned that "Falling Down" was my Dad's and my favorite movie.

 

[K4fxd]

I'd still file a complaint with both States AG. It is a crime to sell cars without emissions equipment. I'd also contact the BBB stating no emissions equipment and how the car was misrepresented. Maybe copy the EPA.

Reading the complaints on the BBB site they need to be stopped.

 

[slime_bullet]

Yes I did.

per the service manual, you pull and test one at a time. i had a shop do mine one time and they did it the way you did it. they also reported one of cylinders was low on compression at 50. i did it myself per the service manual and everthing was between 235-245

 

[K4fxd]

i did it myself per the service manual and everthing was between 235-245

Can you paste the relevant part of the service manual that says with plugs in. Cranking compression has always been plugs out throttle wide open.

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