Mustang love / hate

[Gregs24]

I put 238,000 miles on a 1988 Prelude. Replaced damn near everything.....twice.

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[Jstang23]

I think sometimes things get heated because of small details that don t get typed into theses conversations. FACT, people get sick and machines breakdown. It s just a matter of how often and sometimes why.
I ve had 1/2 dozen Porsche s which I ve always sold after warranty or CPO warranty ran out. Not because I couldn't t afford repairs either. There s a point that some may just not feel comfortable with spending more money on something... and anything German you really feel like your getting ripped off with those costs. Is it a higher quality product, yes, I think so but that not the point here, they break too.
So I don t think either side here is right or wrong, the devil is in the details.

100% agree. I have had cars run perfectly with not one park breaking after 150,000 miles of city driving. I've also had cars where I replace the A/C system 3 times in a year with only 35k miles driven. Its luck of the draw these days. I certainly will say that owning a vehicle should include awareness that you might have something break down the line, but it is NOT too much to ask for a vehicle to function properly for a long time.

 

[PoCoBob]

Anyone who thinks car quality has gone backwards is either very young or looking through rose colored glasses. Cars almost never made it past 100,000 miles and if it did it would be on it's third alternator, second water pump, probably had the lifters replaced and maybe a valve job. Oh, and on it's second transmission. Everybody wants BMW fit and finish and a Pinto price tag. For what these cars cost I think they are a fantastic value. I fix a lot fewer things now than I did in my younger years.

 

[KingKona]

I like watching automotive repair YT channels. Rainman Ray's Repairs is really good.

In his latest video, he works on very a clean 2016 Toyota Highlander with about 97K miles on it. The 3.5L V-6's valve cover gaskets were leaking oil all over the place. That's not maintenance, it's a repair. And it's a well-known failure point on those engines.

On a TOYOTA.

Watch enough similar channels, and you'll see that EVERY vehicle has issues that require repairs now and again. And the good mechanics know a lot of each vehicle's weak-points that need repairing.

 

[K4fxd]

No, you did repairs when things broke, not just normal maintenance.

Nothing ever "broke". Several items wore out. Spark plugs, air filters, oil, brake pads, windshield wipers rotors......

If things "broke" I wouldn't have kept it.

If you do regular maintenance things last a long time. You know like greasing ball joints, tie rods......

 

[KingKona]

Anyone who thinks car quality has gone backwards is either very young or looking through rose colored glasses. Cars almost never made it past 100,000 miles and if it did it would be on it's third alternator, second water pump, probably had the lifters replaced and maybe a valve job. Oh, and on it's second transmission. Everybody wants BMW fit and finish and a Pinto price tag. For what these cars cost I think they are a fantastic value. I fix a lot fewer things now than I did in my younger years.

2005 Mustang GT;
Front LCAs that lasted tens of thousands of miles....at best.
Spark plugs that carbon-welded themselves into the heads.
E-brake cables that froze and were replaced 3 or 4 times.

2012 Mustang GT;
Front LCAs that lasted tens of thousands of miles....at best.
Clutch that got very heavy and was replaced.
EVAP system that stopped allowing gas into the tank.
And more....my memory fades

2016 Mustang GT;
Rear wheel bearings that crapped the bed.
Intake manifold that cracked.
Clutch that got very heavy and was replaced.
Steering wheel that looked like crap after 2 years and was replaced.

2019 Mustang GT;
Nothing.......so far.

Point; Buy the extended warranty, and let Ford deal with these things.

Most of these repairs were taken care of under warranty.

 

[KingKona]

Nothing ever "broke". Several items wore out. Spark plugs, air filters, oil, brake pads, windshield wipers rotors......

If things "broke" I wouldn't have kept it.

If you do regular maintenance things last a long time. You know like greasing ball joints, tie rods......

There were many repairs.......doubtlessly. You're just conveniently forgetting them, to prove your point. But there's no doubt you did tons more than basic maintenance. A dodge truck won't go 26 years without needing repairs, and doubtful a F150 will go 10 years.

Unless they're barely being driven, and kept in a hermetically sealed/climate controlled environment.

 

[K4fxd]

A dodge truck won't go 26 years without things breaking, nor will an F150 go 10 years.

Wow, you are an expert on my vehicles.

Tell me, how many things have broke on my 6year old Mustang? I'd like to itemize them.

 

[noGreta!]

Point; Buy the extended warranty, and let Ford deal with these things.

lmao

 

[noGreta!]

Anyone who thinks car quality has gone backwards is either very young or looking through rose colored glasses. Cars almost never made it past 100,000 miles and if it did it would be on it's third alternator, second water pump, probably had the lifters replaced and maybe a valve job. Oh, and on it's second transmission. Everybody wants BMW fit and finish and a Pinto price tag. For what these cars cost I think they are a fantastic value. I fix a lot fewer things now than I did in my younger years.

Al Bundy's Dodge (or was it a Plymouth?) odometer rolled over once.

 

[Crew4991]

There's a difference between having a 20 year old car, and daily driving a car for 20 years. Daily drive something for 20 years, and you'll do a LOT of maintenance and repairs. TONS of it.

Some garage queen that's barely driven doesn't apply to this discussion.

Haha I may add (even though I don't want to admit it) that there is even a difference between daily driving a 20-30 year old Toyota and a 8-9 year old Ford. One would simply hope for everything to continue to work as it ages, but sadly some brands don't age reliably while others age just fine.

 

[KingKona]

Wow, you are an expert on my vehicles.

Tell me, how many things have broke on my 6year old Mustang? I'd like to itemize them.

You've replaced you MAFS.
You've replace your rear wheel bearings.

Those are repairs, NOT maintenance.

Better remember to grease those rear wheel hubs!!!

 

[Crew4991]

Well.....I've checked your posting history.

You've F'd with you car so much, I'm surprised it still runs.

LMAO Gather around everyone! I got popcorn to share.

 

[Gfswindle]

Truth is new vehicles mechanically still wear out, and maintained properly will last. The electronics in newer vehicles is the problem. These parts are built to a price out of smaller discrete components that are mass manufactured in the 100's of millions. That is alot of room for component failure, and those failures usually happen in batches and do get passed QA/QC. Just a real issue with todays modern electronic vehicles. just look at 6th gen camaro infotainment failures, it's a systemic problem with those. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

 

[MAGS1]

Well shit, my car is fast approaching 1 year old. I better toss that hunk of junk in the garbage before I have to fix anything .

Seriously, I expect normal maintenance items to pop up, part of owning a machine. But as @K4fxd said, I don’t expect major things to break prematurely and I don’t think that’s anything major to ask of the manufacturer. Electronics are going to crap out, that’s the nature of those things but most of the time the car will still be drivable. I’m guessing that won’t be the case with an EV (or maybe even the S650 given it’s fully networked) but let’s not go down that rabbit hole

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