Mustang love / hate

[KingKona]

.....Electronics are going to crap out, that’s the nature of those things but most of the time the car will still be drivable.....

Dude.....if the batteries in these cars drops 1/1000th of a volt below perfect, the dash lights up like a 4th of July themed Christmas tree, AdvanceTrac starts randomly clamping brakes, cutting engine power and spazing the steering-wheel like an epileptic with delirium tremors, and Ford Pass sends you 98 messages about your battery then just shuts the car down.

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[Howitzer]

You've replaced you MAFS.
You've replace your rear wheel bearings.

Those are repairs, NOT maintenance.

Better remember to grease those rear wheel hubs!!!

I really don't even wanna jump in this thread, but you're literally just arguing semantics for no reason.

It's technically both a repair and maintenance. Anything to keep the car (or any individual component) running well...is maintenance. You do that...by making repairs to worn out items. Hopefully before said item fully fails. Making a repair to bring back to good condition is definitely under the umbrella of "maintenance". There's different levels of severity...but...that's not what is being argued for some reason.

 

[K4fxd]

Making a repair to bring back to good condition is definitely under the umbrella of "maintenance".

I suppose he expects nothing to ever wear out. Or he is like my BIL who trades every 2 years.

 

[KingKona]

I really don't even wanna jump in this thread, but you're literally just arguing semantics for no reason.

It's technically both a repair and maintenance. Anything to keep the car (or any individual component) running well...is maintenance. You do that...by making repairs to worn out items. Hopefully before said item fully fails. Making a repair to bring back to good condition is definitely under the umbrella of "maintenance". There's different levels of severity...but...that's not what is being argued for some reason.

There is a clear distinction between maintenance and repairs. Setting aside normal consumables like tires and brakes, Maintenance is a page or two in the Owner's Manual, what needs to be done and at what intervals/miles. Fluids, filters, etc.

Repairs are anything beyond that.

Please don't muddy the waters here. This is cut & dried.

MAFSs are not maintenance items. Rear wheel bearings/hub assemblies are not maintenance items.

 

[Sean22]

I'm only about 4K in and so far the only issue i've had is the obnoxious wheel hop, poor panel alignment, and a couple factory installed cosmetic issues that i caught but aren't worth having the dealer fix (because they will likely screw up more stuff while it is in their hands).

LOVE the 6spd
LOVE the way it looks
LOVE the interior

its just always a nice experience. i kinda wish it didn't have so much road noise but i spend a lot of time around 80mph so that might just be me.

Wheel hop?

 

[cerbomark]

There is a clear distinction between maintenance and repairs. Setting aside normal consumables like tires and brakes, Maintenance is a page or two in the Owner's Manual, what needs to be done and at what intervals/miles. Fluids, filters, etc.

Repairs are anything beyond that.

Please don't muddy the waters here. This is cut & dried.

MAFSs are not maintenance items. Rear wheel bearings/hub assemblies are not maintenance items.

 

[Oakley]

Wheel hop?

launching hard induces wheel hop especially on the higher performance trims. its from too much deflection and binding in the stock bushings. this is made much worse by the ultra high performance tires which have harder sidewalls with stickier compounds (so they stick more and absorb less).

there are solutions but having to do those on a 50K car is stupid.

 

[KingKona]

I suppose he expects nothing to ever wear out. Or he is like my BIL who trades every 2 years.

You're the one insisting you drove a Dodge pick-up for 26 years with no repairs. Gonna keep kidding yourself?

 

[Sean22]

launching hard induces wheel hop especially on the higher performance trims. its from too much deflection and binding in the stock bushings. this is made much worse by the ultra high performance tires which have harder sidewalls with stickier compounds (so they stick more and absorb less).

there are solutions but having to do those on a 50K car is stupid.

Ahh I see. Thanks

 

[Howitzer]

There is a clear distinction between maintenance and repairs. Setting aside normal consumables like tires and brakes, Maintenance is a page or two in the Owner's Manual, what needs to be done and at what intervals/miles. Fluids, filters, etc.

Repairs are anything beyond that.

Please don't muddy the waters here. This is cut & dried.

MAFSs are not maintenance items. Rear wheel bearings/hub assemblies are not maintenance items.

No...that's...that's not right at all. You're the one confused about what words mean, so I don't know what to tell you.

What's in the owners manual is not all maintenance items a vehicle needs until the end of time. Those are common preventive maintenance items that need to be done.

You do know there's different types of maintenance...right? Preventive maintenance and corrective maintenance are the most common...corrective maintenance would be a repair...

I just really don't understand why you're trying to argue with people.

 

[K4fxd]

MAFSs are not maintenance items.

Yes they are. Between 70 and 100K miles.

You're the one insisting you drove a Dodge pick-up for 26 years with no repairs. Gonna keep kidding yourself?

None except maintenance.

Shocks and struts last generally 50K, they are not usually listed as maintenance item, but they sure are.

 

[KingKona]

No...that's...that's not right at all. You're the one confused about what words mean, so I don't know what to tell you.

What's in the owners manual is not all maintenance items a vehicle needs until the end of time. Those are common preventive maintenance items that need to be done.

You do know there's different types of maintenance...right? Preventive maintenance and corrective maintenance are the most common...corrective maintenance would be a repair...

Nope. And no one said anything "What's in the owners manual is not all maintenance items a vehicle needs until the end of time". That's you strawman arguing, if you know what that means.

There's normal consumables (tires, brakes, wiper blades), maintenance (fluids, filters, etc.), and everything else is repairs.

Replace shocks? Repairs.
Replace clutch kit? Repairs.
Replace LCAs? Repairs.
Light Bulbs? Repairs.

Everything else is repairs.

 

[Egparson202]

Boring

 

[KingKona]

Yes they are. Between 70 and 100K miles.

None except maintenance.

Shocks and struts last generally 50K, they are not usually listed as maintenance item, but they sure are.

Nope.

Open the Owners Manual, and show where it says to replace the MAFS at ANY specific mileage. Or shocks. Or struts.

Actually, spare us waiting on you, because it doesn't.

Shocks and struts are repairs, no different than replacing any other part of the suspension. No different than LCAs, no different than bushings, or anything else suspension related. It's just shit that wore out.

 

[K4fxd]

Everything else is repairs.

Now that the king of all knowledge has spoken we shall all bow and pledge our ever dying supp..........

NOT!

Dude, you remind me of one of my daughters, she is in a mental health hospital.

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