Book time is 12 hours.
You're absolutely right in regards to me not offering an explanation in regards to other possible causes. Firstly, because mechanical engineering is not my field, nor have I direct experience in engine design. My only point being, is that without being able to tear down each of those engines, you cannot say that it is 100% the root cause of the failure. We aren't offering "this is what happened" because to say so is foolish, because we don't know without all of the details. Certainly does appear to be the OPG in many of these cases, I don't deny that one bit, but has it been proven? No, so to take those as "facts" WOULD be a bad engineering choice, as you base decisions off of speculation rather than cold hard proof that we don't have.
I am an engineer. I work with exotic forged materials all the time.You're absolutely right in regards to me not offering an explanation in regards to other possible causes. Firstly, because mechanical engineering is not my field, nor have I direct experience in engine design. My only point being, is that without being able to tear down each of those engines, you cannot say that it is 100% the root cause of the failure. We aren't offering "this is what happened" because to say so is foolish, because we don't know without all of the details. Certainly does appear to be the OPG in many of these cases, I don't deny that one bit, but has it been proven? No, so to take those as "facts" WOULD be a bad engineering choice, as you base decisions off of speculation rather than cold hard proof that we don't have.
You can say it is a poor engineering choice, but when something fails within the tolerable range, how do you justify your statement? Based on your personal item wish list for the engine? That is not engineering design based, but rather a "nothing but the best" mindset, and therefore everything else seems inferior or is a "bad design", even if it only fails 1% of the time for arguments sake.
It has nothing to do with me not trusting it or not caring. I absolutely care about the potential issue, and like you, much prefer having each part be the best it can be to increase long term reliability. But you mistake me, as I am simply running the numbers myself. I know that the chances of a failure must be VERY small, and considering how expensive it would be to replace an engine on my own dime, it does not make any financial sense for any of us with stock vehicles to tamper with it prior to the warranty expiring. I will happily play the numbers game over the next 3 summers, at which point I will replace them outside of warranty for additional insurance. I can guarantee you, that from a financial standpoint, my stance is of the far greater value while any of these vehicles retain their OEM warranties.
As long as they can prove that their parts meet their required reliability, they will never change them. I just wish they would get a move on with a KNOWN issue that is the dam cooler hoses... they got 3 months until my car is taken out of storage, if they don't have it ready by then, I'm going to freak :lol:
Good point, and that certainly could be the issue. But that right there is where the bean counters say "ehhh maybe we'll lower our expectations in this instance because it saves money" if its nothing drastic, who knows.
Agreed, I am a civil engineer so concrete, formwork and rebar are more my expertise, but I understand the processes that the mechanical guys take when designing these things.
OK, so that is from what? How many engines are built or how many cars that are built? Who's doing the investigation on OUR part of whats being destroyed? Are we supposed to TRUST that we're getting the truth when there is a large amount of money on the table for ford to be open and honest? IF its not lawsuits out the wazzooo, I don't trust them. This OPG or whatever is destroying our engines, isn't gonna kill us (most likely) but we sure got notice about the oil lines and there are less of those instances reported on here than destroyed engines. I have no doubt in my mind there will be more than 1.5% of these engines being destroyed of the 18000 that will be made. haha, maybe thats why ford is building them an additional year, to hopefully offset the defected engines to keep it below the 1.5%. Maybe they will keep a better eye on the builds...or demand better QC from the suppliers.
I am absolutely certain that a drop test onto a concrete floor is not part of the oil pump testing protocol. BTW, "Weak" is not a technical term.
Ford has a warranty on the engine. They will honor it. That is 100% of their obligation under law, unless you can prove they knew the pumps would fail in advance. Good luck with that.
So, in your opinion, how are we, as a consumer supposed to find out what is wrong with the engines, under warranty, when they are boxed up and shipped back to ford? Do you TRUST that ford is going to tell us? Is there an external investigative committee for such things? Who's to say they aren't "paid off" to keep it hush? I'm just sayin... if we don't hear anything, doesn't mean there isn't anything specific going on. There very well could be, they know it but don't tell us. Most people/businesses want to make money, not lose a shitload of it, and the repercussions could be ESPECIALLY bad, from the performance base, trickling down to the everyday car. Its already happening in a small dose from the oil line recall. Ain't too rush rush about that.
You're becoming annoying. I'm not looking to sue ford or talk you into anything. Better parts can be made of steel also.
They have absolutely, positively no obligation to tell us anything. You can sue them, but you have to demonstrate a cause of action. If they fix or replace your engine, they are following the agreement they made with you when you bought the car.
I don't know the cause. I'm not inclined to speculate. But I HIGHLY doubt that Ford green lighted a defective, or inadequate pump for this engine. Possible, sure. Probable? No way.
