Rationale for choosing Ecoboost HPP over GT?

[metalhead79]

That's because the boost kicks in really early on those. Although I have to disagree here, I put my GT in drag mode and launched it hard and the HPP did not even come close to the violence our coyote is capable of right off the line.

The tuning for the HPP engine is really well done and the turbo is big enough for the engine to make peak power past 6000rpm unlike the regular EB engine. Unlike the regular EB, it doesn't drop power past 5000rpm. Its torque curve is something like 90% of peak torque from 2000-4400 rpm. It's fucking awesome. I love turbos.

That being said, I don't think anyone is going to argue that a HPP is going to compare to a GT at full throttle. From a dig or roll. That's certainly not what I was saying.

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[EFI]

What am I missing?

For road course/autocross.

The EB is lighter than the V8 and with the added HPP it performs better on a roadcourse than the non-PP GT.

 

[K4fxd]

If I wanted a very good track car I'd consider the eco HPP simply for the weight reduction on the front wheels. With some tuning and larger turbo it can perform as well as a gt power wise.

That said a Mustang should only come with a V8

 

[Weeee]

It's the Mach 1 of the Ecoboost line up. You could have picked up a new one in late 2021 in the low 30's with all of the rebates and markdowns which made them a great value. I enjoyed my test drive of a EB HPP car and thought it would make a lot of people happy. I felt it was more peppy during the day to day drive than my Mach 1 because of the low end torque.

 

[C-WOODS-70]

Same thing I think about when I get a chocolate long John. Why do people get maple? It just drives me crazy

Or someone making a pan of brownies and not putting chocolate frosting on them.

 

[daSNAK3]

I thought about getting an Ecoboost when I was getting rid of my WRX.. but that did not last long, figured if I am gonna get back into a Mustang, it had to be a v8.

 

[XFactor7889]

Or someone making a pan of brownies and not putting chocolate frosting on them.

I never considered this. But, it sounds like a terrific idea.

 

[junits15]

Personally I wish Ford would not even offer anything other than V8 versions, I think anything less cheapens the brand. Heck, even Ford puts on these skinny-ass tires on the GT's and it looks like shiz. Ford just ruins the brand when they try to cater to all demographics.

This is a bad idea, without the 4 cylinder there wouldn’t be any mustang. 4cyl sales vastly outnumber v8 sales. Most new mustangs sold are EBs

it’s about money, most people cannot afford the cost of a GT, so they buy an EB. If the mustang was v8 only they’d buy something else, then ford would cancel the brand for low sales.

 

[bigred90gt]

Personally I wish Ford would not even offer anything other than V8 versions, I think anything less cheapens the brand. Heck, even Ford puts on these skinny-ass tires on the GT's and it looks like shiz. Ford just ruins the brand when they try to cater to all demographics.

Cheapens the brand? The brand STARTED with less than v8 as the primary engine.

 

[5.0_Lojos]

It's simple really; "because".

Someone will choose the model they want "because". Your rationale and mine may be completely different.

Want a V8? Get a GT
Want a Turbo 4? Get an Ecoboost
Want a V8 with lots of features? Get a PREMIUM
Want a Turbo 4 with lots of features? Get an Ecoboost HPP

My GT (Supercharged) runs like 12.8 Litres per 100 KM (on the HIGHWAY) however a friend of mine drives an Ecoboost and said "Wow, mine got into the 10 Litres per 100km the other day and I was surprised". She also said, when buying it, "I don't need 460hp cause I'm a girl".

In other words, don't by a eco less your a chik jk

 

[KingKona]

Because for the same money it will out-perform a GT in almost every metric, and have a lot more content.

 

[shogun32]

That said a Mustang should only come with a V8

actually V8 and twin-turbo 3.5L out of the F150.

I've owned 3 different EB (2019, 20, 22) all the while also simultaneously owning a GT (300A), SS/1LE and Audi S5 (v8, AWD, 6MT). The EB is playful and you can beat on it at semi-sane speeds unlike the big boys where you're rapidly into jail time.

I average about 25MPG out of the EB (3.31 gears), 20-21 out of the GT (3.73) so fuel savings is laughable. The most fun EB is 15-17 with the MT82D5 trans. It's a riot. The D4 really pisses in the Wheaties.

The biggest problem with the EB is Ford's fuel-maps and the 'racket' is not at all pleasant compared to what you get from Honda or VW. The EB/HPP though is a very stiff $$$ upgrade that is IMO very hard to defend. The tuning is just as much crap as on the standard EB, slightly bigger turbo not-withstanding.

The first thing to buy with an EB is a tune by someone who knows WTH they're doing. And it's not Ford. With a tune the standard EB pulls quite well to redline. Yes a bigger turbo will help either engine and they are fairly cheap. Next is intercooler.

For street duty that's all you need in the engine compartment. Add all the chassis and suspension fixes when you get a chance.

 

[shogun32]

Or someone making a pan of brownies and not putting chocolate frosting on them.

brownies made from a sufficiently good recipe require nothing but a light dusting of powdered sugar, not that ghastly canned frosting slathered on top. Now if you make your own lemon-tinged cream-cheese spread or drizzle, I'll allow it.

 

[dtheo]

This is a bad idea, without the 4 cylinder there wouldn’t be any mustang. 4cyl sales vastly outnumber v8 sales. Most new mustangs sold are EBs

it’s about money, most people cannot afford the cost of a GT, so they buy an EB. If the mustang was v8 only they’d buy something else, then ford would cancel the brand for low sales.

Then how does every other manufacturer do it if they don't offer cheaper models? You saying the V8 cost at a minimum would kill the buying power

This is a bad idea, without the 4 cylinder there wouldn’t be any mustang. 4cyl sales vastly outnumber v8 sales. Most new mustangs sold are EBs

it’s about money, most people cannot afford the cost of a GT, so they buy an EB. If the mustang was v8 only they’d buy something else, then ford would cancel the brand for low sales.

How does Chevy do it with the corvette then by not selling super cheap models?

 

[EFI]

4cyl sales vastly outnumber v8 sales. Most new mustangs sold are EBs

Yeah I'm pretty sure that's not the case. If anything, the split is pretty even...but EB sales definitely do not "vastly" outnumber V8 sales.

I can't seem to find any recent take rate for the engines, do you have any data that you were referencing that you can share?

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