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I am surprised by the hate on the wheels, I like them a lot. More than the base and other 19" options. Equal to the 20's for me. And they aren't that hard to clean, just get proper wheel brushes.
It's not the style that's the problem, although it is 'busy' enough to get in the way of easy cleaning (I find detailing to be an extremely tedious activity).

They should have been available like this ↓↓↓ - which I do find fairly attractive - with a black option of some sort available for those who prefer that.




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It's not the style that's the problem.

They should have been available like this ↓↓↓ with a black option of some sort available for those who prefer that.

Yes.

Anything but all-black. Or black with the face and lip machined so they don't disappear into the wheelwell. The wheel design itself is fine.....
 

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See that makes it too common looking in that color
 

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And I guess people on here also have no concept of torque multiplication? hence the 3.73 will be quicker, regardless of the extra shift.
It's not that simple. If you can smoke the tires in first with the 3.31 (or 3.15), then a lower gear isn't buying you anything in first, and every other gear you could be in a lower gear with a higher final drive or a higher gear with a lower final drive. So it's not a case of changing the final.drive and having 13% more torque all the time.

Look at road racing cars , and they normally have very tall lower gears (a Formula Mazda's first gear is about the same as our 2nd) and don't Top Fuel cars only have two gears?
 

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I get the concept, hence the reason I made the swap on my prior coyote. The difference in reality was a let down. Yes with tire and the right set up the 3.73 car should have the edge in the 1/4 all else equal. Stock tire I went 1 mph slower with the same 60ft. :tsk:
You must have traction issues then, all 4.6 motors and the 5.0 engines make their power in the high rpm range. If I had an auto car it would have 4.10's in it. 3.55 is the perfect gear for a manual yes and the 3.73 is steep in a manual, but unless you have a turbo/supercharged car the 3.31's suck. Anyone that would take out the 3.73 from a PP car is an idiot, unless like I said above, it was boosted.
 

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I think the wheels look fine on the white Mustang but even better on a darker color. With the wheels shown I would have been OK with keeping them. Having two options would have been much better.
 

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These wheels & tires are only for the cold months. The reason I had the black removed was because of the black wheels I had on my 12 Boss...Too much time trying to keep them looking clean.

The modified PP wheels I have now don't show the brake dust build up that the blacks do after just a few miles...YES, I'm lazy, I don't feel like cleaning the wheels every day-->:frusty:
 

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You must have traction issues then, all 4.6 motors and the 5.0 engines make their power in the high rpm range. If I had an auto car it would have 4.10's in it. 3.55 is the perfect gear for a manual yes and the 3.73 is steep in a manual, but unless you have a turbo/supercharged car the 3.31's suck. Anyone that would take out the 3.73 from a PP car is an idiot, unless like I said above, it was boosted.
You need 4.10's for a tranny with a 4.17:1 low gear??? Is the torque management that bad or the torque converter that tight? Or are you running tires that are really too tall?


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I love all you get for $2500. It's a steal actually when you really start digging into all the parts they don't list on the configurator. Hoping more people DON'T like it to make my car worth more money. :)

When you factor in all the components I don't know how anyone could pass it up for $2500.............unless you simply want the GT with an automatic tranny....which I can appreciate.
 

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I love all you get for $2500. It's a steal actually when you really start digging into all the parts they don't list on the configurator. Hoping more people DON'T like it to make my car worth more money. :)

When you factor in all the components I don't know how anyone could pass it up for $2500.............unless you simply want the GT with an automatic tranny....which I can appreciate.
I wouldn't count on the first part. The vast vast majority of people here are getting the performance pack. This topic is just writted poorly by the OP. It makes it seem like there was some groundswell of anti PP feelings on here. Its just the opposite Ive noticed. Just a badly written topic for the post. At first when I saw it, I was like what the f is he talking about? "Whats so bad about the PP", who do you know in any large numbers on this forum ever said anything relating to the PP as so bad? Ridiculous.
 

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I wouldn't count on the first part. The vast vast majority of people here are getting the performance pack. This topic is just writted poorly by the OP. It makes it seem like there was some groundswell of anti PP feelings on here. Its just the opposite Ive noticed. Just a badly written topic for the post. At first when I saw it, I was like what the f is he talking about? "Whats so bad about the PP", who do you know in any large numbers on this forum ever said anything relating to the PP as so bad? Ridiculous.
Writted poorly? I think you missed the connotation. "Bad" is good.
 

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Writted poorly? I think you missed the connotation. "Bad" is good.
We're not going back to the 80s are we? Nobody does that anymore. I certainly didn't take bad as good in the way the topic was written, and I would guess neither did many others.
 

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We're not going back to the 80s are we? Nobody does that anymore. I certainly didn't take bad as good in the way the topic was written, and I would guess neither did many others.
I'd say judging by the responses, this is truth.
 

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It is comments like this that prompt me to switch from 3.31's to 3.73's in my 2012 5.0. The only differences I noticed were, less traction in first, more required shifting, higher cruising rpm, lower mpg and the need to shift into 5th in the 1/4. I actually consistently went a little slower(mph and e.t. in the 1/4 with 3.73's than I did with the 3.31's in similar air.


It's funny you think gears alone are going to make it ''walk'' the longer geared car (all else equal)... like the the 3.73 car is going to be many car lengths faster just because of the gears:crazy:. From a roll the the 3.73 will have a slight edge at the hit but will be a wash as the speeds increase.

You get to the powerband quicker with 3.73's but are there longer with the 3.31's. The shift into 5th at the track is a hindrance as well.
My money is on the 3.31 and 3.55 non PP in the 1/4, stock on stock tire, all day.

Gears are a preference thing and can make a difference with the correct setup.

I think the PP wheels look great and chrome is OUT people.
My original post was talking about a stock car 0-60. I didn't say one thing about 1/4 mile.
 
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... 3.73's...less traction in first, more required shifting, higher cruising rpm, lower mpg and the need to shift into 5th in the 1/4. I actually consistently went a little slower(mph and e.t. in the 1/4 with 3.73's than I did with the 3.31's in similar air.


..From a roll the the 3.73 will have a slight edge at the hit but will be a wash as the speeds increase.

You get to the power band quicker with 3.73's but are there longer with the 3.31's. The shift into 5th at the track is a hindrance as well.
My money is on the 3.31 and 3.55 non PP in the 1/4, stock on stock tire, all day.

Gears are a preference thing and can make a difference with the correct setup.

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That's how it works. When I was just 16 my brother come home with a new '63 Stingray, which soon became my daily driver. That thing had a 4.56 from the factory. It was the hot set-up for for the drive-in, but it had a top speed of about 96. Many years later we heard that the engine blew up on the Chicago Skyway. I've always been leary of over geared axles. It's like you're driving a gear ratio instead of a V8 engine. Of course, 4.56 isn't 3.73, but I think I'd rather a 3.55.
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