What's So Bad About the Performance Package?

[Norm Peterson]

Dead Serious... You're telling me they couldn't have put an option for some Pirelli P Zero Nero A/S or some Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's? Yeah they could have for us that have a winter or colder winter temps. I live in Oklahoma and I could have all 4 seasons in one week. I don't live up north and have my igloo plan with my winter tires with studs stored at my local rubber peddler, ready to change out for the season. hahaha... SMH...

That would likely have either forced some suspension recalibration (to the disadvantage of those who would keep the summer tires) or come with a price penalty one way or the other for forcing a second set of GTPP suspension specs.

Consider that the first option would have put the GTPP at an even greater disadvantage against the 1LE, and that the second would make either the GTPP's summer tire buyers or the all-season customers feel like they were being sandbagged by having their tire choice appear as an extra-cost line item.


Norm

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[KP6Five]

I understand your viewpoint and respect your knowledge. I also agree that the pirellis included don't stack up to most of the competition in the max performance summer tire segment, and now a small selection of the ultra high performance A/S tires available. I've done my homework too and by no means do I have the experience you do, but I'm not ignorant to what's what and the options available. You are still not debating the principle of the decision by Ford to spec summer only tires on a performance pack car, rather only your specific case. Most participating here agree with the decision to do so. Whether we think Pirelli P Zeros are the tire it should have come with is a totally separate discussion.

I appreciate the respect... I am debating an option, not an OE spec tire. Just for those of us that could use the A/S segment in our environment. That's all... Maybe it came across differently... The PP car should have performance tires... 95% of the summer tires will definitely out perform the a/s segment. However as we discussed there are a few that will suffice. I would have liked to have the option to get the Mich's versus spending my money on those Pirelli's. That's all... :cheers:

 

[KP6Five]

That would likely have either forced some suspension recalibration (to the disadvantage of those who would keep the summer tires) or come with a price penalty one way or the other for forcing a second set of GTPP suspension specs.

Consider that the first option would have put the GTPP at an even greater disadvantage against the 1LE, and that the second would make either the GTPP's summer tire buyers or the all-season customers feel like they were being sandbagged by having their tire choice appear as an extra-cost line item.


Norm

Norm the Michelin PS AS 3's will out perform the Pirelli at the same cost. That's my point. Would have loved and welcomed the test against the 1LE with the Mich's, seeing the Camaro has some Bad Ass F1's SCG's. Would have done better. No re-calibration needed... you're over thinking it but again your opinion. :cheers:

 

[slythetove]

PP wheels are awful. I don't know what Ford was thinking when the offered the PP with only this one wheel choice. I had to think long and hard about the PP because of the wheels but finally decided to go that route after I drove a PP and non-PP car, knowing that I would have to change the wheels. Pirelli tires aren't terrific either! One of my first changes is to put some Forgestar CF10s on my Mustang.

It's funny because the PP wheels and the 20" wheels are the only ones I like. I ended up going auto so no PP and had to go with the optional 20's

 

[Hack]

My last Mustang was a 2011 GT with 3.73s and I can tell you they really wake up the car. Acceleration is much more lively. I wish I had the 3.73s in my 2015, but I like the rest of the car. I agree with others that PP is probably not worth it in a daily driver.

 

[njarmstrong]

I am surprised by the hate on the wheels, I like them a lot. More than the base and other 19" options. Equal to the 20's for me. And they aren't that hard to clean, just get proper wheel brushes.

 

[15GTBEN]

I have driven the auto 3.55 and a manual 3.55 because I had doubts after I ordered the 3.73. I thought they might be to low a gear for road trips. Car felt so much faster I was glad I ordered the 3.73. 3.73 are easier on the drivetrain and will be quicker in the 1/8th or 1/4 mile if you get it to hook up at the expense of some gas mileage.

It is comments like this that prompt me to switch from 3.31's to 3.73's in my 2012 5.0. The only differences I noticed were, less traction in first, more required shifting, higher cruising rpm, lower mpg and the need to shift into 5th in the 1/4. I actually consistently went a little slower(mph and e.t. in the 1/4 with 3.73's than I did with the 3.31's in similar air.

I just wish somebody with a stock pp would race a stock base. I guarantee the pp walks the base model with different gears.

It's funny you think gears alone are going to make it ''walk'' the longer geared car (all else equal)... like the the 3.73 car is going to be many car lengths faster just because of the gears. From a roll the the 3.73 will have a slight edge at the hit but will be a wash as the speeds increase.

You get to the powerband quicker with 3.73's but are there longer with the 3.31's. The shift into 5th at the track is a hindrance as well.
My money is on the 3.31 and 3.55 non PP in the 1/4, stock on stock tire, all day.

Gears are a preference thing and can make a difference with the correct setup.

I think the PP wheels look great and chrome is OUT people.

 

[Impulsed7]

I still find it funny someone thinks an all season tire is going to be better than a summer only tire in terms of performance, even a mediocre summer tire like the pirelli.

Basically Ford is only offering one tire selection with the PP, because the suspension is completely tuned to the tires. Hence why I only ran one kind of slick on my race car after I dialed it in, and had a suspension setup for rain with my other tires. With all seasons on it, driving to and from the track, you couldn't trust the car. It just wasnt there.

 

[KP6Five]

Hahaha... That's all... SMH... Kids...

 

[Impulsed7]

And I guess people on here also have no concept of torque multiplication? hence the 3.73 will be quicker, regardless of the extra shift.

 

[OppoLock]

It's funny because the PP wheels and the 20" wheels are the only ones I like. I ended up going auto so no PP and had to go with the optional 20's

The only wheels I find awful on the S550 are the base V6 and standard EB/GT premium wheels... and those tacky black/polished spindly optional things that nobody ever orders. Love my PP wheels to the point that I'm okay with them and not in a rush to buy something to replace them just yet.

 

[15GTBEN]

And I guess people on here also have no concept of torque multiplication? hence the 3.73 will be quicker, regardless of the extra shift.

I get the concept, hence the reason I made the swap on my prior coyote. The difference in reality was a let down. Yes with tire and the right set up the 3.73 car should have the edge in the 1/4 all else equal. Stock tire I went 1 mph slower with the same 60ft. :tsk:

 

[Impulsed7]

not directed at you, obviously as you know how it works. There is such a thing as too short of gearing, but the 2015 is not there yet as far as the GT is concerned.

Which also brings up another point, we need more tire selection in stock and slightly wider sizes. I'm fairly limited in DOT-R sizes for track days/ time trials and a little mad at that.

 

[KP6Five]

Curious about this 99 M3 ran a 10.06 511hp huh? How much did it weigh? What was the mph?

 

[Impulsed7]

that was actually a 2.8L in an M3 sedan body. Thing was stupid fast with a blown Gt3582R and some worn out DOT-Rs from my race car. Then I added a brand new Precision 6266, ran it up at MIR once and sold the car when I went on deployment. No AC, interior, etc. If I find a time slip, I'll shoot you a picture, but the 10.06 run, I broke my drivers side engine mount (the metal part) and sheared the diff bolt as well. I'm pretty sure I don';t have that slip anymore, but a garage search may turn someting up. Not a drag car though, kept breaking too much stuff... Motor is in some guys e39 M5 right now, putting 708 to the wheels. 511 was with the blown turbo, never dyno'd it after the new one.

My race car's best was a 12.8, but wasn't exactly built for that.

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