Used M1 inventory

[murick]

I’m legitimately curious. I’ve heard a lot of conjecture, but not a lot of actual back to back, same driver, different car, lap times on stock cars.

Then you probably wanted to reply to this thread instead of here:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/mach-1-is-better-than-gt350.180929/
but, only, of course, after you did not find your answer there

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[AllthePonies]

Then you probably wanted to reply to this thread instead of here:
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/mach-1-is-better-than-gt350.180929/
but, only, of course, after you did not find your answer there

I learned that GT350 owners think they have Ferraris in that thread, despite the fact that they can be beaten by a Tesla Model 3 off the line. Never really did see any actual data. I guess no one actually tested them.

 

[AllthePonies]

Ok, let me try to answer
Stock for stock:
350R
350
M1 handling package
Pp2
M1
Pp1
Gt

Now my 17pp1 with power pack 2, ford racing track suspension kit, camber plates, harrop oil cooler. Apex 18x11 and squared 305 nt01, is as fast or faster than a R
Driver make a huge difference too
As well than tires, therefore the stock car with the stickier and wider tires has a good chance to also be the fastest

The R makes sense to me since that was its one and only purpose, but I’m not so sure a standard 350 would beat a handling package Mach 1, assuming everything is stock.

I’m asking because the end of the line for these (manual ICE) cars is coming soon and I’m looking to end up not regretting my final decisions when the music stops. A S650 Shelby with the manual 5.2 Predator would be pretty awesome, but assuming that doesn’t happen, I think the Mach 1s are being underrated relative to what exists today.

 

[Charlemagne]

You can assume that 2024 Dark Horse > 2021-2023 Mach 1 because of more hp and otherwise pretty much everything beside the look the same. So you might get that.

 

[Gregdd]

I get a kick out of this 15k cheaper gt crap. I picked up my 23 m1 700a for 56. Does a 23 gt loaded up even close go for 41 ? I know the guys complaining about the price are dumb asses that over paid for a used car.
Seriously a used 21 m1 should be under 50k.

 

[AllthePonies]

You can assume that 2024 Dark Horse > 2021-2023 Mach 1 because of more hp and otherwise pretty much everything beside the look the same. So you might get that.

I’m not a fan of the locked down ECU, lack of buttons, excessive screens, electronic parking brake, etc. However, I will likely end up with a S650 at some point if the performance is there. The current quality rumblings are definitely keeping me on the sideline though. Planning to keep the S550 convertible as well for the aforementioned reasons.

 

[cerbomark]

Ok, let me try to answer
Stock for stock:
350R
350
M1 handling package
Pp2
M1
Pp1
Gt

Now my 17pp1 with power pack 2, ford racing track suspension kit, camber plates, harrop oil cooler. Apex 18x11 and squared 305 nt01, is as fast or faster than a R
Driver make a huge difference too
As well than tires, therefore the stock car with the stickier and wider tires has a good chance to also be the fastest

How much of that ranking is only because of tires?
Not picking a car based on that.

 

[JetGray_Mach1]

I learned that GT350 owners think they have Ferraris in that thread, despite the fact that they can be beaten by a Tesla Model 3 off the line. Never really did see any actual data. I guess no one actually tested them.

 

[WCRookie99]

I was perusing auto trader, today, and was amazed at the large inventory of USED M1's with between 15 miles to -2000 miles max and many others well under 5,000 miles.

What is the deal on this trend? Seats? ride?
Owner dissatisfaction? Am I missing something?

AutoTrader breakdown
Mach 1's for sale (971)
2021 (110) 1.7% of total made*
2022 (279) 4.5% of total made*
2023 (582) 19% of total made*

*close estimate 6313 (2021), 6137 (2022), 3028 (2023)

Looks like they can't sell the 2023's due to DH.

Otherwise 2021 Owners are sitting on them, doesn't look extreme to me.

 

[mustangpegasus51]

To answer your original question OP, I think it's just a matter of Mach 1 being the most popular "performance" variant after its release outside of the Shelby models. When looking at new 2023 listings this seems to be (anecdotally) the case.

This role was previously filled by the PP1. However with the Mach 1 offering the 10 speed AT, the only differentiating matters (outside of even more performance parts) are price, looks, and the different amber lights above the side vents.

Those looking at the PP1s of old probably weren't too prices sensitive, so dealers probably ordered Mach 1s where they would have ordered performance packs 1s. (There's only about a 3k difference between a premium PP1 and a base Mach 1.) The same also goes for the performance pack 2 and the Bullitt, which were both discontinued and replaced with the Mach 1. If PP1 and PP2 cars in 2019 were also called "Bullitt" and had the appropriate trimmings, you'd see a lot more of them too.

In summary: The Mach 1 effectively replaced the Bullitt, PP2 and to a lesser extent the GT350 in the product lineup as far as pricing, and with the optional 10-speed AT made a hard bargain against the PP1 as well if you get the base model. So IMHO the dealers flooded their allocations with base models/black accent package for price sensitive consumers and Mach 1s for those that were less so. It's simpler and probably more profitable for them, and the Mach 1 is one heck of a ride. Just my two cents. I'm taking all challengers to prove this theory wrong but seems solid enough given what I've found.

 

[young at heart]

To answer your original question OP, I think it's just a matter of Mach 1 being the most popular "performance" variant after its release outside of the Shelby models. When looking at new 2023 listings this seems to be (anecdotally) the case.

This role was previously filled by the PP1. However with the Mach 1 offering the 10 speed AT, the only differentiating matters (outside of even more performance parts) are price, looks, and the different amber lights above the side vents.

Those looking at the PP1s of old probably weren't too prices sensitive, so dealers probably ordered Mach 1s where they would have ordered performance packs 1s. (There's only about a 3k difference between a premium PP1 and a base Mach 1.) The same also goes for the performance pack 2 and the Bullitt, which were both discontinued and replaced with the Mach 1. If PP1 and PP2 cars in 2019 were also called "Bullitt" and had the appropriate trimmings, you'd see a lot more of them too.

In summary: The Mach 1 effectively replaced the Bullitt, PP2 and to a lesser extent the GT350 in the product lineup as far as pricing, and with the optional 10-speed AT made a hard bargain against the PP1 as well if you get the base model. So IMHO the dealers flooded their allocations with base models/black accent package for price sensitive consumers and Mach 1s for those that were less so. It's simpler and probably more profitable for them, and the Mach 1 is one heck of a ride. Just my two cents. I'm taking all challengers to prove this theory wrong but seems solid enough given what I've found.

I think you might be way, way overthinking it for most dealers and retail customers. Probably accurate for yourself and many forum dwelling enthusiasts but that’s not even close to the real profitable market for dealers. They wanna get some Bubba in there on a sunny Saturday looking at a flashy Mustang that sounds great, and in a weak moment his wife doesn’t put up enough resistance. He never heard of a PP1 and doesn’t care. The Bubba is then ushered into the sweat booth and it’s all over but the shouting. The few guys who are logical and think are in the minority and = smaller profits.

 

[cerbomark]

AutoTrader breakdown
Mach 1's for sale (971)
2021 (110) 1.7% of total made*
2022 (279) 4.5% of total made*
2023 (582) 19% of total made*

*close estimate 6313 (2021), 6137 (2022), 3028 (2023)

Looks like they can't sell the 2023's due to DH.

Otherwise 2021 Owners are sitting on them, doesn't look extreme to me.

maybe the profit re sellers are flushing their way thru the model years. It does get to a lower % for sale as the years go by(back). I don t know. The spread of what people payed for these cars seems rather large to me.

 

[snakeyes]

Resales on GT350's were the oil consumption and flat plane issues, people got nervous in the service. The Mach 1's you are seeing for sale my opinion - are a combination of "Flippers not being able top flip" and people who ordered a S650 and are trying to unload the M1 instead of taking it in the ass at the dealers...

When entering the dealer to save time - go through the front door with your pants down, bent-over, backwards, with plenty of vaseline between your cheeks...

 

[PhillyMike]

Those looking at the PP1s of old probably weren't too prices sensitive, so dealers probably ordered Mach 1s where they would have ordered performance packs 1s.

This is supported by the complete lack of any dealer ordered PP '22 or '23 inventory- every single one I saw back when I was keeping my eyes open for deals was green window sticker.

 

[W0rkH0rse]

People were trying to flip them for a profit during the supply chain disruption. Friend of my dad bought 4 Corvettes, 1 to own, 3 to flip. Now it's all flopped.

I think this is most accurate. Following the M1 ordering thread, a number of users bought a base Mach 1 to drive until the one they ordered was delivered. This was common with people that ordered M1 HP. They found a base model and bought it to drive until their HP arrived. Then would sell the base model.

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