The big Intercooler thread.

[Mod Mustang Racing]

It shows sold out on the web site...?

Whose core do you use, what are the dimensions and what is the price since it is not listed on the web site?

Just fixed it, back in stock,the MMR bar and plate core size is 20 x 11.5 x 4.5 - MASSIVE!!

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[greg hazlett]

Thanks; whose core do you use and pricing?

 

[Mod Mustang Racing]

Maybe a stupid question but I saw the link to the Mishimoto pre sale thread in the classifieds for their FMIC and it gives two measurements, one for the core and one with the end tanks so what is the industry standard when providing measurements? Just the core or with the end tanks?

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?p=556888#post556888

Many people will use the overall size which is meaningless! Core size is everything!

 

[greg hazlett]

Web page still shows out of stock...

 

[JerseyDevil]

Many people will use the overall size which is meaningless! Core size is everything!

Core size is one aspect of an intercooler, you can have a very large core with a non dense fin pack and it wont cool at all. other aspects that go into an intercooler all of which can make or break the efficiency are:

Ambient face-a large ambient face is preferred as it is affected by the cooling medium(ambient charge)

Core Thickness- an intercooler is most effective at the face and efficiency drops as thickness increases

Ambient and Charge Row Height- the heights of these dictate the flow through the core in both the ambient as well as charge rows.

Core Type-Bar and plate is generally heavier than a tube and fin core. weight in the cooling medium is very important as its this mass that thwarts heatsoak. a tube and fin will generally recover faster due less mass. Tube and fin generally have better ambient flow through the ambient face as the header bars are rounded but worse flow through the charge side as the the charge rows usually protrude proud of the plate.

Fin Density and Type-the cooling fins are where the heat exchange happens, a low fin density will not cool as well as a high fin density BUT... The lower fin density will have less pressure drop meaning the turbo will not have to work as hard the charge side OR the ambient air will go through the core to the radiator easier on the ambient side.

End tank shape- the end tank is what distributes the charge on the hot side and collects the air on the cold side, it's an extremely important and overlooked aspect from many intercooler manufacturers. Air likes to be given direction it also likes rounded and flared surfaces with gentle direction changes. Air does not like to hit walls, edges and doesn't want to make drastic direction changes. With the entry/exit angles of the Ecoboost intercooler there is most certainly a siphon effect going on. Anyone that understands how a true X pipe works will understand this phenomenon! When you come into a flat surfaced endtank at 30-60 degree angle the velocity of the air will create a vacuum, the case of an intercooler some charge rows can actually be rendered useless. A flared or bellmouthed entry at the core difuses the charge and quickly lowers its velocity.

So there's alot involved to designing an Intercooler. Finding the perfect balance between cooling and pressure drop requires a complete understanding of the above parameters effect on the desired end goal and target power level.

 

[Mod Mustang Racing]

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[greg hazlett]

Core size is one aspect of an intercooler, you can have a very large core with a non dense fin pack and it wont cool at all. other aspects that go into an intercooler all of which can make or break the efficiency are:

Ambient face-a large ambient face is preferred as it is affected by the cooling medium(ambient charge)

Core Thickness- an intercooler is most effective at the face and efficiency drops as thickness increases

Ambient and Charge Row Height- the heights of these dictate the flow through the core in both the ambient as well as charge rows.

Core Type-Bar and plate is generally heavier than a tube and fin core. weight in the cooling medium is very important as its this mass that thwarts heatsoak. a tube and fin will generally recover faster due less mass. Tube and fin generally have better ambient flow through the ambient face as the header bars are rounded but worse flow through the charge side as the the charge rows usually protrude proud of the plate.

***back to work ill finish up the post later this evening, theres a lot more and if anyone wants me to expand on any of this feel free to ask!

I think the general consensus has been bar and plate is better....?

 

[JerseyDevil]

I think the general consensus has been bar and plate is better....?

That's a loaded question!
As has been said earlier there are variables in core type, stack heights of the ambient and charge rows, as well as fin density and type...BUT typically all else being the same, bar and plate are better in a front mount situations and tube and fin is superior in a top mount situation strictly due to its thermal mass.

-Bar and plate coolers are heavier and can absorb more heat=lower AIT and longer heatsoak times, the downside is they take longer to recover to ambient.(simple physics on this one 2lbs of aluminum can absorb more heat than 1lb of aluminum but will take longer to cool off)in a front mount situation there is a plentitude of cooling medium(oncoming air) so the positives of the bar and plate far outweigh the negatives.

-Tube and Fin are generally lighter and have less cooling ability and heatsoak faster BUT they also recover faster. These attributes are better for a top mount intercooler sitting above a hot engine and not the best choice for a front mount-case in point the factory intercooler!

 

[greg hazlett]

Thanks; so would you agree for a fmic the bar/plate is the better choice?

 

[JerseyDevil]

Thanks; so would you agree for a fmic the bar/plate is the better choice?

All parameters being equal YES!

 

[NewSVO]

To remove the lower grill did you have to cut the front bumper by the fog lights or is it just how the pic was taken? Looks good!

Sorry for the late reply, there was no cutting but taking the lower grille off was a royal pain with a lot of flat heads lol

I have the lethal lower grille delete in now, looks alot better. I'll snap a pic soon.

 

[TRACK-STANG]

What's going on there are still a few companies that haven't released their intercooler yet .... things have gotten awfully quite no updates either?

 

[greg hazlett]

Mishimoto is offering a pre sale on theirs for $475 shipped, they released that news last week.

 

[Mishimoto]

Mishimoto is offering a pre sale on theirs for $475 shipped, they released that news last week.

Thanks Greg! As noted, we are currently running a discounted pre-sale ($475) for our EB intercooler. Full details can be found at the link below.

http://www.mishimoto.com/ford-mustang-ecoboost-intercooler-2015.html

Basic specs are highlighted below!

• Direct fit for the 2015+ Ford Mustang EcoBoost
• 35°F (19.45°C) reduction in AIT
• 58% increase in core size
• 25% increase in internal core volume & 165% increase in external fin surface area
• Cast end tanks and in-tank diverter provide optimal flow through intercooler
• Retains stock active grille shutters, maintaining ideal aerodynamics when cooling demands are lower
• Bar-and-plate construction
• Mishimoto Lifetime Warranty

We have covered the entirety of our R&D in the thread below.


http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15946

Sending Pewter a PM to see if we can update the original post regarding our cooler with new details!

Thanks guys!
-John

 

[sleepless]

Other than simply installing it - no/none.

... Your instructions say otherwise.

http://www.modularmotorsportsracing.com/Intercooler instructions.htm
"Re-attach the shutter system, it will require the lower section to be cut off.. the upper shutter system will still function just like factory"

Care to explain?

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