Single top mount turbo - Supporting mods

[NGOT8R]

I'm not arguing that it doesn't work or doesn't hold up or even live up to it's claims. What I'm saying is that you can get your items coated locally with cerakote and I remain curious as to how much BETTER the jethot really is compared to the more economical cerakote route. There are probably limits to how much/thick the material can be applied (which would contribute to the thermal insulating effect). The next question is whether having it coated INSIDE as well as outside makes an appreciable difference.

My cerakote definitely drops the local temps as well. Was just curious then how much better the Jet Hot would be comparatively given that it not only costs more, you have to spend shipping to and from (which is a MUCH larger expense today than it was say even 5 years ago).

From what I’ve read regarding inside coating, none of them will hold up to the intense heat that flows through the turbine.

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[Angrey]

From what I’ve read regarding inside coating, none of them will hold up to the intense heat that flows through the turbine.

I'm guessing that the jethot works "better" but to what extent, that's the question I have. So for instance, if the measured temp on the headers at idle is say 800F without coating, and it's 500F with jethot, what's the value with cerakote (550F?)

I was (at the time) looking for, maybe I don't get ALL the benefit of the jet hot, but for 1/2 the price I get 90% of the heat reduction. There's just no data out there. And admittedly I'm starting off from a prejudice assuming jet hot would be superior to cerakote (we might find they're equivalent performance).

I have tons of experience with cerkote in the firearms realm but we don't really have any hardcore data to suggest (or refute) if the additional cost, delay and headache of sending your stuff off to jet hot and paying significantly more is worth the extra cost/time/headache.

 

[NGOT8R]

I'm guessing that the jethot works "better" but to what extent, that's the question I have. So for instance, if the measured temp on the headers at idle is say 800F without coating, and it's 500F with jethot, what's the value with cerakote (550F?)

I was (at the time) looking for, maybe I don't get ALL the benefit of the jet hot, but for 1/2 the price I get 90% of the heat reduction. There's just no data out there. And admittedly I'm starting off from a prejudice assuming jet hot would be superior to cerakote (we might find they're equivalent performance).

I have tons of experience with cerkote in the firearms realm but we don't really have any hardcore data to suggest (or refute) if the additional cost, delay and headache of sending your stuff off to jet hot and paying significantly more is worth the extra cost/time/headache.

Those are good questions. There are definitely going to be several big ticket items associated with this project, and Jet Hot is one of them. That’s the reason why I’m going to attack this in stages.

The cost to coat all of the bare SS piping is $1079, plus shipping, which is yet tbd. Jet Hot will apply the cost of the ride to/from on my final invoice. That cost alone was enough to purchase my turbo.

I will likely end up sending the turbine in once I purchase the turbo, to get it coated as well. I want to say the quote to do a turbine alone was $245.

 

[80FoxCoupe]

From what I’ve read regarding inside coating, none of them will hold up to the intense heat that flows through the turbine.

The cost and life of the coating is definitely a concern. I'd also be concerned with the life of the hotside in general. The material can only get heat cycled so many times before failure occurs. I contemplated single/twins for my f150, but came to the conclusion that I did not want to deal with heat mitigation and material fatigue. I drive 16k miles /yr and just want to turn the key and go. Based on my experience with turbo setups on previous cars, they require much more attention than any supercharged car I've had. Tolerance for more attention is doable on a toy car is higher IMO. That being said, boost will be here next week and 4x4 digs soon....

 

[Angrey]

Those are good questions. There are definitely going to be several big ticket items associated with this project, and Jet Hot is one of them. That’s the reason why I’m going to attack this in stages.

The cost to coat all of the bare SS piping is $1079, plus shipping, which is yet tbd. Jet Hot will apply the cost of the ride to/from on my final invoice. That cost alone was enough to purchase my turbo.

I will likely end up sending the turbine in once I purchase the turbo, to get it coated as well. I want to say the quote to do a turbine alone was $245.

Coating the turbine is unnecessary when you consider it likely won't be enough and you'll have to use a blanket anyway. And plenty of guys running around with just a blanket.

For the piping, just a suggestion, but there's probably several qualified cerakote installers in your area. You could do their high temp coating (in probably a wider range of color options if that blows your hair back) get it back sooner for considerably cheaper than the Jet Hot.

If you're just OCD and you want "the most expensive" path on the build, then jet hot is the obvious answer. When I was considering doing my headers, what did it for me wasn't just the cost savings, but the pain in the ass of boxing them, packing them properly (to survive the onslaught of UPS or Fedex) and then having to pay and stress over them packing them correctly on the return trip and all that time it was going to take. I dropped the headers off on a Monday and got them back by Thursday. No shipping brain damage. Half the cost.

Does it work as well? Between the cost/time and the idea that if it ever abraded or wore off I could have them done again (and still come out ahead) I chose cerakote. Does it work as well as the jethot? Who knows. Other than the binder technology, ceramic is largely ceramic so I'm struggling with the idea that one persons ceramic is appreciably better at reflecting heat than another's, but I guess depending on how "thick" you can install it (that's where the binder comes in) would affect it's R value and again that starts to get limiting in terms of wear resistance and long term viability (meaning if you slob it on there thick enough it's probably going to be brittle and not wear great or flake off.)

Just options for you. Jet hot has been around and they're a known quantity. Just didn't make sense to me that they're 2x the price and that's before you start considering shipping and down time.

 

[wingnutt]

Let’s not leave SwainTech out of the discussion

https://swaintech.com/race-coatings/race-coating-descriptions/white-lightning-exhaust-coatings/

 

[NGOT8R]

Coating the turbine is unnecessary when you consider it likely won't be enough and you'll have to use a blanket anyway. And plenty of guys running around with just a blanket.

For the piping, just a suggestion, but there's probably several qualified cerakote installers in your area. You could do their high temp coating (in probably a wider range of color options if that blows your hair back) get it back sooner for considerably cheaper than the Jet Hot.

If you're just OCD and you want "the most expensive" path on the build, then jet hot is the obvious answer. When I was considering doing my headers, what did it for me wasn't just the cost savings, but the pain in the ass of boxing them, packing them properly (to survive the onslaught of UPS or Fedex) and then having to pay and stress over them packing them correctly on the return trip and all that time it was going to take. I dropped the headers off on a Monday and got them back by Thursday. No shipping brain damage. Half the cost.

Does it work as well? Between the cost/time and the idea that if it ever abraded or wore off I could have them done again (and still come out ahead) I chose cerakote. Does it work as well as the jethot? Who knows. Other than the binder technology, ceramic is largely ceramic so I'm struggling with the idea that one persons ceramic is appreciably better at reflecting heat than another's, but I guess depending on how "thick" you can install it (that's where the binder comes in) would affect it's R value and again that starts to get limiting in terms of wear resistance and long term viability (meaning if you slob it on there thick enough it's probably going to be brittle and not wear great or flake off.)

Just options for you. Jet hot has been around and they're a known quantity. Just didn't make sense to me that they're 2x the price and that's before you start considering shipping and down time.

I have used Cerakote (Glacier Black 7600) before on my Harley Davidson SG exhaust heat shields. It’s not a thick application, but it has held up surprisingly well over the last 6 years. There are some areas that have lightened and hazed a bit, but overall I’d say they still look like a 7.5 out of 10.

I am a bit OCD, but not to the point where I think “the most expensive” is necessarily going to get me the best. I’m just trying to draw from past experience and research, to hopefully point myself in the right direction, so that I end up with a good and efficient combination. Believe me, I wish I could have spent that money on a turbo, but I’ll cross that bridge when I get there.

The Jet Hot 2000 series coating is definitely thicker (and more coarse looking, sorta like 80 grit sandpaper) than Cerakote. Here is a pic of their 2500 series coating, which looks to be pretty thick (presumably for bonding characteristics). I would guess that the 2000 series is slightly thinner, but not by much. The second picture is the 2000 series Titanium color sample to show what I selected for my parts.

 

[Wolfys11]

The cost and life of the coating is definitely a concern. I'd also be concerned with the life of the hotside in general. The material can only get heat cycled so many times before failure occurs. I contemplated single/twins for my f150, but came to the conclusion that I did not want to deal with heat mitigation and material fatigue. I drive 16k miles /yr and just want to turn the key and go. Based on my experience with turbo setups on previous cars, they require much more attention than any supercharged car I've had. Tolerance for more attention is doable on a toy car is higher IMO. That being said, boost will be here next week and 4x4 digs soon....

What did you go with?
If im not mistaken, i think ive seen you wanting an ess kit but i dont think they came out yet for trucks

 

[80FoxCoupe]

What did you go with?
If im not mistaken, i think ive seen you wanting an ess kit but i dont think they came out yet for trucks

I was interested in seeing the ESS kit but no idea when info will be out. So I got something else. Should be here soon.

 

[Wolfys11]

I was interested in seeing the ESS kit but no idea when info will be out. So I got something else. Should be here soon.

Make a post about it or something cuz im very interested in which route you ended up going!

 

[SheepDog]

It’s definitely not cheap, but I’ll give it a shot with their Extreme 2000*F coating and see how it holds up.

I had their Extreme 1300*F done on a motorcycle header back in 2008, but switched exhausts before I was able to put it through its paces to see how it would hold up.

I have done the Cerakote Glacier coating on several sets of headers, turbo manifolds and it makes a dramatic difference in the engine bay temps. They say its good for 1800 degrees, but you have much bigger problems if your exhaust is 1800 degrees at the headers

https://www.cerakote.com/shop/cerakote-coating?finishes=cera_glacier

 

[NGOT8R]

I have done the Cerakote Glacier coating on several sets of headers, turbo manifolds and it makes a dramatic difference in the engine bay temps. They say its good for 1800 degrees, but you have much bigger problems if your exhaust is 1800 degrees at the headers

https://www.cerakote.com/shop/cerakote-coating?finishes=cera_glacier

The coating on those headers looks really good! Did you spray them yourself or send them out to be done?

I might not be opposed to doing the turbine myself. It seems easy enough to do on such a small piece.

 

[SheepDog]

The coating on those headers looks really good! Did you spray them yourself or send them out to be done?

I might not be opposed to doing the turbine myself. It seems easy enough to do on such a small piece.

I took them to a local place that does all sorts of different coating services. $325

Ive had them do wheels, headers, turbo manifolds, guns. They always do good work

https://www.appliedplastic.com/ceramic-exhaust-coating

 

[Wolfys11]

I took them to a local place that does all sorts of different coating services. $325

Ive had them do wheels, headers, turbo manifolds, guns. They always do good work

https://www.appliedplastic.com/ceramic-exhaust-coating

Do yall do this without heat wrapping?
ive been considering this on my bimmer downpipe, it sits uncomfortably close to my valve cover and i hate how the heat wrap rusts the stainless steel

 

[SheepDog]

Do yall do this without heat wrapping?
ive been considering this on my bimmer downpipe, it sits uncomfortably close to my valve cover and i hate how the heat wrap rusts the stainless steel

Yes, no need for wrap with this stuff. You wouldn't think a thin coating like this would do anything, but I can reach down in the engine bay and touch the headers within minutes of a long drive with my bare hands. It keeps the entire engine bay so much cooler

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