Schroth quick fit vs quick fit pro

[ZX3ST]

Did I make a mistake getting the pro?

Nope. The only real "downside" is the pro version costs more money.

Unless they've changed things recently:

Regular
* Uses 3in wide straps. This width isn't particularly HANS-friendly.
* Uses a buckle design that's legal for street use, similar to the OEM design. Many states expressly prohibit cam-lock. Something to do with emergency crews not being able to figure out how they work... That's a topic for another thread.

Pro
* Uses HANS-friendly 2in wide straps.
* Cam-lock buckle which can accept an addtional optional anti-submarine strap

I got the pro model without realizing there was a standard. The pro seems to support HANS devices, but don't think at the moment I'll need that.

For what it's worth, every organization I do HPDE's with expressly forbids using non-OEM restraints unless there's a HANS being used.

Your "need" will be forced upon you if you run with larger national organizations such as PCA.

They'll also require the passenger be afforded the same level of restraint. So hopefully you bought 2 if you're still new enough to be toting around an instructor!

My understanding is that the Schroth harnesses have features that allow them to be used safely without a HANS.

My understanding is the ASM tech allows a 4pt harness to be safely used without an anti-submarine strap.

The stretch is supposed to make your body rotate similar to the OEM 3-point belt so that you have less of a chance at submarining.

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[slikk66]

Literally all I want is to not slide around so much in the sport seats during some track time haha. I found it very distracting last time, my first time in the 350. Before this car I did many days on track in a BMW e92 M3 6mt and don't remember fighting for position in the vehicle nearly as much.

I have ran with and without instructors, usually with. I've had about 12 track days total (only 2 in the gt350 so far) and run usually in the mid group.

Usually it's HPDE with groups like Audi or BMW. Definitely not high octane shit, just want to open it up and have some fun on the weekends.

I only got 1 belt. Last time I went to the event another 350 owner told me about these quick fits, so that's how I came to order one.

This is all good info though, as if this isn't going to work for what I need then no need to start taking out or cutting panels.

Planning to hit up track again soon, and would like to more often moving forward.

 

[Hack]

 

[Bridgie]

The pro version has the anti-submarine function built in, with a stretch point on the inside over shoulder strap from what I remember. This special function makes it suitable and approved for most clubs.

Once you install the 2 latch brackets, it is a simple clip in/out procedure to install.

Agree with the Hans comment, i wouldn’t run any 4 point without one on track. Safety is paramount and any impact will put enormous strain on your neck with the weight of the helmet to consider.

I ran with the Pro for a few season, vastly improving my feel, feedback and stability when driving hard. You’ll be glad of the pro purchase.

I’ve now moved onto full race seats, 6 point and rear cage, which takes it to another level.
Harness and Hans go hand in hand IMHO.

Your knees will still move around without a bucket seat to support your thighs.. but one step at a time.

The reason that each harness is different- driver to passenger, is for the stretch belt orientation.
Remember if you are running with an instructor, you should have like safely equipment installed., even for check rides.. most instructors will not ride with you without similar equipment.

Install it. Enjoy it..!

 

[slikk66]

you should have like safely equipment installed., even for check rides.. most instructors will not ride with you without similar equipment.

Well, I imagine they'd sell me another

Thanks for the info. Like everything else, there's always more to the story! Sounds like I will be looking into HANS next.. maybe I'll plan to use the 4 point and HANS on my solo runs and standard belts for any rides with a passenger.

 

[ChipG]

FYI, my Quick Fit Pro has a push button release, not cam lock. I've added anti-sub straps to it.

 

[honeybadger]

I can't imagine any circumstances where I'd ride in a car with any points greater than 3 without a Hans/Necksgen/Simpson, etc. As someone who has had a neck injury, it's no bloody fun.

I ride in plenty of right seats using a 3pt, but I am not a huge fan. No OEM airbag/3pt system is designed with helmets in mind to my knowledge. When at all possible, I run a 6 point with hans. I will run a 4 point if unable to run a 5/6pt, but am not a fan of how they ride up the torso. I avoid 3pt at all reasonable cost on the race track--especially in cars that can carry a bit of speed.

My personal beliefs -

1. No belt system above a 3pt should ever be worn without neck protection
2. A proper race seat and 6pt should be used whenever possible - this is a better upgrade than tires/brakes/aero/etc. (trust me, you'll be faster properly strapped in)
3. When 5/6pt isn't feasible, a 4pt with neck protection is okay if it has the anti-submarine feature

And while I'm being mr safety - jeans and t shirts are all fun until you're in a car fire. Gloves should be mandatory so you can get out if things get hot. But a full fire suit and shoes are preferred.

Okay - I'll go crawl back into my badger den

 

[Biggsy]

And while I'm being mr safety - jeans and t shirts are all fun until you're in a car fire. Gloves should be mandatory so you can get out if things get hot. But a full fire suit and shoes are preferred.

As an instructor, how would you feel if you had a student show up in a suit?
I have been wearing Race Quip pants because I felt like I would be perceived as one who thinks they are big shot racer. I have gloves, pants and shoes.

 

[honeybadger]

As an instructor, how would you feel if you had a student show up in a suit?
I have been wearing Race Quip pants because I felt like I would be perceived as one who thinks they are big shot racer. I have gloves, pants and shoes.

It does cause an eyebrow raise for me, but only as long as it takes for me to get a feel for their approach. If I feel like it's for image or because they think they're super fast and "justify" it, I just eyeroll and pray we can get on the same page.

But if the student is humble, eager to learn, and takes feedback well, I don't mind. One of the best students I've ever had was in a fully-race prepped BMW M3 on Hoosiers (car was built for ST2). I was pretty apprehensive at first because he was like 18 and had only been on track about 5 times before (all in this car). This screamed of all the bad stereotypes. But turned out he'd spent a good amount of time on the sim, was honestly looking to learn, and took my feedback really well. We dropped 6 seconds in two sessions and he was smooth as butter afterwards.

Turned out he was just getting into it and the car was his dad's old car that they modded. A bit misguided, but genuinely was openminded and prioritized the right bits on track.

 

[luc]

As an instructor, how would you feel if you had a student show up in a suit?
I have been wearing Race Quip pants because I felt like I would be perceived as one who thinks they are big shot racer. I have gloves, pants and shoes.

Everyone has a different level of tolerance to risks
W2w is usually very structured and regulated
Open track not so much and I don’t know of a single club, and i have been the business for over 20 years, that requires any thing more than a helmet, closed toes footwear, and long pants… that’s it
As to your question, you will have to be pretty stupid to look down on someone that want to wear a full suit, even if a novice

 

[Biggsy]

Everyone has a different level of tolerance to risks
W2w is usually very structured and regulated
Open track not so much and I don’t know of a single club, and i have been the business for over 20 years, that requires any thing more than a helmet, closed toes footwear, and long pants… that’s it
As to your question, you will have to be pretty stupid to look down on someone that want to wear a full suit, even if a novice

It does cause an eyebrow raise for me, but only as long as it takes for me to get a feel for their approach. If I feel like it's for image or because they think they're super fast and "justify" it, I just eyeroll and pray we can get on the same page.

But if the student is humble, eager to learn, and takes feedback well, I don't mind. One of the best students I've ever had was in a fully-race prepped BMW M3 on Hoosiers (car was built for ST2). I was pretty apprehensive at first because he was like 18 and had only been on track about 5 times before (all in this car). This screamed of all the bad stereotypes. But turned out he'd spent a good amount of time on the sim, was honestly looking to learn, and took my feedback really well. We dropped 6 seconds in two sessions and he was smooth as butter afterwards.

Turned out he was just getting into it and the car was his dad's old car that they modded. A bit misguided, but genuinely was openminded and prioritized the right bits on track.

Thank you guys for the input. I have come across some decent holiday deals on suits and although my experience is more limited, I was contemplating on taking advantage of them. I guess it won’t hurt to have it in the closet for the time being

 

[matthewr87]

I'm considering getting one of these myself now. What do you guys do with the harness when just street driving the car? Do you uninstall?

 

[Biggsy]

I'm considering getting one of these myself now. What do you guys do with the harness when just street driving the car? Do you uninstall?

I unclip the lap belts that connect to OEM buckle and the outboard latch. Keep it on the rear seat with the rear attachment points still connected. Hope that made sense

 

[Bridgie]

In and out in a few minutes, wasn’t a problem. If storing it in the rear seat is OK, just do as said above.

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