Schroth Quick Fit vs Watson or Cool Tech cage

[Zitrosounds]

If you like the Schroth Quickfit then just keep that on its own.

If you want to put in a roll bar I'd reccomend putting in a race seat and a 6 point schroth harness with a HANS device.

Yup I have ordered a quickfit.

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[mattlqx]

The landing plates can come out without removing the reinforcing bars under the car. Have you actually done this, or just making assumptions?

Hours is a long time. Are you sure it will really take you hours? I'm thinking more like 1/2 hour with hand tools and less time if you use power tools.

Please tell me how the plates can come out without supporting or removing the bars from underneath. I'm not looking to remove my bar, but it'd be nice to know. The bars underneath are held on by being screwed through with the bolts. You'd have to remove all the bolts in order to be able to freely move the rear bars enough to even pivot to get one of the bolts in. Perhaps that's the role of the smaller bolts. But aligning is more than half the battle of getting it back in.

Re-installation is sure as hell is going to take a lot longer than taking it out. So if you think this is a quick swap and would be doing it routinely, you should take the average of both operations to get a full picture.

But what do I know, I've only just installed one and I am just a mere mortal and not an ultra-super mechanic. I would love to see you remove and reinstall yours on YouTube with no edits so I can pickup some tips.

 

[Hack]

Please tell me how the plates can come out without supporting or removing the bars from underneath. I'm not looking to remove my bar, but it'd be nice to know. The bars underneath are held on by being screwed through with the bolts. You'd have to remove all the bolts in order to be able to freely move the rear bars enough to even pivot to get one of the bolts in. Perhaps that's the role of the smaller bolts. But aligning is more than half the battle of getting it back in.

Re-installation is sure as hell is going to take a lot longer than taking it out. So if you think this is a quick swap and would be doing it routinely, you should take the average of both operations to get a full picture.

But what do I know, I've only just installed one and I am just a mere mortal and not an ultra-super mechanic. I would love to see you remove and reinstall yours on YouTube with no edits so I can pickup some tips.

There are 6 bolts for each landing plate. The 4 large ones are intended to bolt in the landing plate. The 2 small ones are supposed to always stay in the car and they are what keeps the nut plate from falling out. I would unbolt the landing plate and then run the larger bolts back in so I don't misplace them.

Who knows, maybe I'm wrong about how long it will take to install and remove. I can tell you IMO it's better to have two people to set the main hoop in place. I'm not going to tell you I'm an ultra super mechanic, and things usually take me longer than my estimates. Heck, my car has been on jack stands close to two months while I work on getting coolers installed. I usually only get a few hours to work on it during the weekend, but still - I'm not a super speedy guy.

If it's as much of a PITA as you are making it sound like, I might end up tack welding the nut plates into the car so they don't move around.

 

[GT350Brakes.com]

There are track day groups that disallow a 4-point harness? Are they listening to themselves? They're disallowing added safety? What????? I'd tell them to F off unless it was a class requirement, which HPDE certainly should have very little of other than treadwear rules just to keep things paced.

This problem stemmed from the Takata, Bride and other 4 point harnesses that are cheaper which do not have anti submarine technology. Running those harnesses are actually worse than oem.

You wouldn't catch me dead in a 4 point unless it had ASM. This is why Schroth works so well because it maintains the safety of not slipping under the lap belt and finding your stomach coming out of your mouth.

 

[mattlqx]

There are 6 bolts for each landing plate. The 4 large ones are intended to bolt in the landing plate. The 2 small ones are supposed to always stay in the car and they are what keeps the nut plate from falling out. I would unbolt the landing plate and then run the larger bolts back in so I don't misplace them.

Oh, now I see why the holes for the small bolts are bigger in the middle to allow for them to be seated with the plate in place. I wasn't clear on that as I have washers on them allowing them to be securing the plate along with the larger bolts. To be honest, the instructions aren't clear on that point. See? I did learn something.

It'd definitely help to not have to mess around underneath the car with those things again. But if you have the side trim panels installed, I still think it'd be a large pain to get the bar in and out routinely without tearing them up and especially in anything under an hour. :shrug:

 

[Zitrosounds]

This problem stemmed from the Takata, Bride and other 4 point harnesses that are cheaper which do not have anti submarine technology. Running those harnesses are actually worse than oem.

You wouldn't catch me dead in a 4 point unless it had ASM. This is why Schroth works so well because it maintains the safety of not slipping under the lap belt and finding your stomach coming out of your mouth.

Yup! That's why I ordered a quickfit.

 

[Hack]

Oh, now I see why the holes for the small bolts are bigger in the middle to allow for them to be seated with the plate in place. I wasn't clear on that as I have washers on them allowing them to be securing the plate along with the larger bolts. To be honest, the instructions aren't clear on that point. See? I did learn something.

It'd definitely help to not have to mess around underneath the car with those things again. But if you have the side trim panels installed, I still think it'd be a large pain to get the bar in and out routinely without tearing them up and especially in anything under an hour. :shrug:

I was considering leaving the side panels out when I have the bar in. Usually the bar would just be in for a track day anyway. I haven't decided for sure though. I also thought about buying an extra set of sacrificial side panels that I would cut clearance in so they could be in the car with the bar.

 

[JT1]

I was considering leaving the side panels out when I have the bar in. Usually the bar would just be in for a track day anyway. I haven't decided for sure though. I also thought about buying an extra set of sacrificial side panels that I would cut clearance in so they could be in the car with the bar.

Let us know what they cost if you price out the panels

 

[JT1]

If I used Tasca's site correctly, the RH is $356.88, the LH $340.42.

Not sure if that's the list price or their retail price.

 

[JT1]

My take on the Schroth, worse than OEM if your in a roll over where the roof collapses.

With modern cars and high strength steel, I don't know how likely the roof is to collapse.

I've had three friends that had bad on track incidents.

One hit a wall head on, IMHO would not be here if he didn't have a Hans. Wouldn't be here without a full cage either.

The other two rolled, one a barrel roll, Summit Main, Fox body had a roll bar but not a full cage, No Hans were in use, driver and passenger ok.

The other end over end rolled in a 944 at SIR, no cage or bar, driver only in the car, he was OK too.

Tough decision...

 

[The Chairman]

There are track day groups that disallow a 4-point harness? Are they listening to themselves? They're disallowing added safety? What????? I'd tell them to F off unless it was a class requirement, which HPDE certainly should have very little of other than treadwear rules just to keep things paced.

I have the Schroth 4 point system in two of my cars. Have only run into one group that had an issue with 4 pt systems, and they readily allow the Schroth belts due to their ASM technology. No worries with their system.

 

[jlwdvm]

I have Schroth ASM and a HANS for track days. A front impact is much more likely (IMO) than a roll over...that is why I wanted to be able to use a HANS. I also wanted to be planted better in my seat.

 

[Mr. Adair]

Thanks for all of the comments Gent's. I think I am leaning towards the Schroth for now. Initially, I'll see where this track stuff takes me...

 

[spiller]

Rollbar if running a harness. Do it right or don't do it at all.

 

[jlwdvm]

Rollbar if running a harness. Do it right or don't do it at all.

Doing it "right" is a matter of opinion I guess. I was going back and forth originally too. I am building a track/street 69 Firebird with a 570 hp LS3, Tremec, 8-point cage, etc. I decided to ask Ron Sutton what his opinion was on using the 4-point Schroth in my GT350...considering frontal impacts, roll overs, etc in a basically stock street car with no cage at HPDEs. In his professional opinion (he has been in the racing business 35 years) he advised to add the 4-point belt because it would ADD to the safety of my car for what I was using it for.But again, to each his/her own.

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