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The drive modes determine shift points not RPM’s. Once you are in tenth your RPM’s will be the same regardless of mode. I find sport mode tends to keep you in ninth most of time therefore higher revs.
Makes sense. Again, I have no experience with the Mustang, so thanks for the reply. The Raptor seems to stay in 7th when doing 45, which keeps rpm too high for my liking.

 

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Regarding comments about the torque converter always staying locked after 1st gear, I don't believe that to always be the case. I daily it to work on the same route. Shortly after leaving the house I go up a long hill @40mph. Car always chooses 7th gear. On cold winter mornings, the rpms are approximately 200 higher than on warmer mornings. Presumably to warm up the engine faster. Maybe warm up the trans fluid faster too. Maybe there are situations where they briefly unlock for shifting too, but I don't know whether that happens or not.
 
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I test drove a EB 100A 10AT (no paddle shifters or drive modes) yesterday down some windy 2-lane and tried both N and S mode on the shifter stalk. Yeah I won't be even thinking about buying an A10 equipped Mustang unless they amputate my left leg at the knee.
 
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I can't be the only person here who finds Normal Mode in the A10 5.0 absolutely awful. I never drive in normal as I find it an insult to the Coyote. It might not bother me so much if it was called Conservation Mode and wasn't the default setting but it really is pathetic. Sport and Track mode are where the magic happens. The way the auto roars through the gears and rifles through rev matches before making a hard turn are what makes me smile. Even when driving in mellow situations normal mode feels bogged down, too quiet and just plain boring, Hell I might as well be driving a Ford Fairmont.
Also known as grandma mode, Toyota corolla mode, no fun mode
 

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I typically only use normal when trolling around town or on a long highway cruise. I used it more frequently early in my ownership than I do now. I use sport on the local freeways to give me the added punch to hop into open spots and around town when I feel like it.
 

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I typically only use normal when trolling around town or on a long highway cruise. I used it more frequently early in my ownership than I do now. I use sport on the local freeways to give me the added punch to hop into open spots and around town when I feel like it.
Same here. Normal mode for distance travel with or without traffic to stretch the mileage. Transmission in Sport mode, with exhaust in Sport and all else (suspension) in normal, for routine day-to-day around-town driving so it moves when I want it to, sounds like a Mach 1 should, and is still comfortable. Sport+ for spirited driving on non-rough roads.
 

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You have the exact predictability and control of a manual 6 speed built right in. Put it in Sport mode with the paddles and you are 100% in control of what gear you are in and when it shifts just like in a manual.
Not when there's a big lag from hitting the paddle to when the A10 finally shifts from 1st to 2nd. Annoying as hell. I used the paddles a lot with the A6 in my '15. With the A10 not so much.
 

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I know it’s January and a lot of us are bored but why bitch about something you do not have to use. It’s there for a reason (corporate fuel mileage and guzzler tax) and isn’t changing. Go have a hot toddy and a Snickers bar and chill out. :cwl: :crackup: :like:
Well said!
 

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I had no idea that your driving habits are learned with the A10. Most of the time I drive in normal mode with the exhaust set to track with the “my mode”. Sometimes sport mode if I want a slight bit more umph on takeoff or want the sport magnaride setting. It would be nice to be able to set the suspension feel independent of the drive mode. But it appears you have to get a GT500 for that.

So it seems, like most in here, I’m not all about foot to the floor constantly. Like most I certainly didn’t buy it for good fuel economy. But I’m averaging 22mpg with it being my daily driver (all back roads & no highway) & I’m certainly happy with that considering what the car is. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with “normal” drive mode. To be truthful it’s not truly dedicated to fuel economy in my opinion. No matter what the paddle shifters are always active. I find myself being able to up shift long before the computer thinks about it. The soonest you can shift is [email protected], [email protected], & [email protected] this is with the PP & 3.55 rear end. You try any sooner than that it just blinks at you and stays in present gear. These numbers are way different when it’s cold out, the engine is cold, as well as the transmission. So no you “TRULY” don’t have full control like you do with a manual. When I drove my last manual (11 GT500) I would always be able to shift way early (could be in 6th gear by 30-35mph).
 

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Sorry to hear all that. I had much the same complaints with the A6 in my 2015. Which was a major factor in my selling it, and the primary factor in my ordering the M6 in my 2021. Problem solved. It shifts when I want it to shift, every time. :clap:
 

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Speaking of the difference in the throttle sensitivity between the various modes, I ran some tests, and here are the results.

First, let's see the stock calibration again:

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In Normal mode the relationship is perfectly linear. That is, the pedal output is equal to the actual pedal position.
In Sport+ and Track there's a linear relationship up to 20%, after which the pedal output increases faster than the actual pedal position.

Now, let's see how a live scan of these parameters looks.
In the graphs shown below the white line is the actual pedal position, and the green line the "commanded" pedal position (i.e. what the PCM actually takes into account when calculating how wide to open the throttle). The horizontal reference line represents 20%.

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So, we notice the behaviour described in the configuration tables. In Normal mode the commanded position mirrors the actual position exactly, while in Sport+ it's a perfect match up to 20%, after which the commanded rises faster than the actual.

Track mode is identical to Sport+, which stands to reason since it uses the same configuration table.

Scan_1.png
 

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Speaking of the difference in the throttle sensitivity between the various modes, I ran some tests, and here are the results.

First, let's see the stock calibration again:

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In Normal mode the relationship is perfectly linear. That is, the pedal output is equal to the actual pedal position.
In Sport+ and Track there's a linear relationship up to 20%, after which the pedal output increases faster than the actual pedal position.

Now, let's see how a live scan of these parameters looks.
In the graphs shown below the white line is the actual pedal position, and the green line the "commanded" pedal position (i.e. what the PCM actually takes into account when calculating how wide to open the throttle). The horizontal reference line represents 20%.

Scan_2.png


So, we notice the behaviour described in the configuration tables. In Normal mode the commanded position mirrors the actual position exactly, while in Sport mode it's a perfect match up to 20%, after which the commanded rises faster than the actual.

Track mode is identical to Sport+, which stands to reason since it uses the same configuration table.

Scan_1.png
Thank you Vlad, nicely done. :like:
 

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I think the throttle in the manual feels lethargic too - but that could be placebo ?

WD :like:
You’re not wrong. I feel the same way. Hopefully my Soler Performance throttle body and throttle controller will make that a thing of the past.
 

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You’re not wrong. I feel the same way. Hopefully my Soler Performance throttle body and throttle controller will make that a thing of the past.
Yes - and now proven above :like:

For me its not an issue though - my mode at the top of the street and that's set to Sport+ :like:

WD :like:
 

 
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