MT-82 Class Action Lawsuit

[Elp_jc]

The last Corvette I bought, with only 3 miles on the clock, came with the made-in-the-USA Tremec TR6060 defective. It was crunching badly in 2nd gear until fully hot, no matter how gentle you were, or how much time you waited to shift. And the other 2 (another TR6060 and one T56) were horrible when cold; MUCH worse than this Getrag. And they were notchy all the time too. That's why if my Bullitt had a Tremec, it'd had been a deal-breaker for me. So like somebody said, and I say it too, you can have both crap and excellent things made in the same country.

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[OnThree]

Anyone

The last Corvette I bought, with only 3 miles on the clock, came with the made-in-the-USA Tremec TR6060 defective. It was crunching badly in 2nd gear until fully hot, no matter how gentle you were, or how much time you waited to shift. And the other 2 (another TR6060 and one T56) were horrible when cold; MUCH worse than this Getrag. And they were notchy all the time too. That's why if my Bullitt had a Tremec, it'd had been a deal-breaker for me. So like somebody said, and I say it too, you can have both crap and excellent things made in the same country.

Lmao, you're the first person I've ever heard say that having a Tremec would have been a deal breaker and prefer the MT82.

 

[GT Pony]

Lmao, you're the first person I've ever heard say that having a Tremec would have been a deal breaker and prefer the MT82.

There is always a first time for everything !!

 

[shogun32]

If I was in charge of overlooking manufacturing, it would be written in the contract that any manufacturer caught cheating (and they would be heavily over-looked to watch for it) would be paying large fines, and be replaced if deemed necessary.

right but the whole point of going to China was to pay slave wages, pollute with impunity, and otherwise duck the social norms of USA-based manufacturing. And play games of paper finance to pretend your company is healthier than it really is.

If you have to baby-sit your supplier constantly or they'll pull a fast one, have to scrutinize every item, every batch to exhausting degree the entire cost savings is moot. And good luck getting fines levied after torturous domestic legal wranglings, or your money out of the country. China has a 2-tier monetary system. You've already given them your IP and they'll rip it off no matter what some piece of paper says.

 

[ice445]

right but the whole point of going to China was to pay slave wages, pollute with impunity, and otherwise duck the social norms of USA-based manufacturing. And play games of paper finance to pretend your company is healthier than it really is.

If you have to baby-sit your supplier constantly or they'll pull a fast one, have to scrutinize every item, every batch to exhausting degree the entire cost savings is moot. And good luck getting fines levied after torturous domestic legal wranglings, or your money out of the country. China has a 2-tier monetary system. You've already given them your IP and they'll rip it off no matter what some piece of paper says.

You have to realize managing costs is much harder for the domestic manufacturers because of UAW. Im not anti union by any means, but the way they save money to compensate for that is completely understandable. The Japanese company factories in the US are non union and as a result they're making way higher margins on basically every vehicle. Toyota is at like $20 profit for every $1 Ford makes in profit. Its insane. Now part of that is Toyota stretching designs out longer, but still. There's a reason Ford deleted every low margin model from their lineup. Health care costs alone are rising an average of 12% per year.

 

[shogun32]

You have to realize managing costs is much harder for the domestic manufacturers because of UAW.

both sides got themselves into this mess. Why Ford et. al. don't just shutter every MI/OH/IL/NY plant tomorrow and just up and move to TN/KY/AL/NC etc is beyond me. When someone is choking you, you don't plead for them to choke you less hard, you shoot them dead and stomp on their corpse when you get up off the ground. Now that's not fair to the productive and well-intentioned line worker who does a good job and wants to make a good product. The problem is the Union gums up the works. unions are anti-freedom. Every man has the right o sell his labor for any price he sets. The Union by definition prohibits free association and worse, smothers individual work ethic. That's now how free societies work.

 

[ice445]

both sides got themselves into this mess. Why Ford et. al. don't just shutter every MI/OH/IL/NY plant tomorrow and just up and move to TN/KY/AL/NC etc is beyond me. When someone is choking you, you don't plead for them to choke you less hard, you shoot them dead and stomp on their corpse when you get up off the ground. Now that's not fair to the productive and well-intentioned line worker who does a good job and wants to make a good product. The problem is the Union gums up the works. unions are anti-freedom. Every man has the right o sell his labor for any price he sets. The Union by definition prohibits free association and worse, smothers individual work ethic. That's now how free societies work.

The risk of immense fallout is too high for any of them to chance trying to walk from UAW. So they just make high margin vehicles to get around this and cut corners where applicable.

I dont really agree with your stance on unions, because the intent of a union is to make a crafts employees have some power over their industry. A healthy power dynamic benefits everyone. Where unions don't make sense is when you have a globalized, outsourced economy and most people aren't in unions at all. It gives the non unionized companies a competitive advantage in the market which is easy to see.

 

[Alberto]

I have my 2019 with the MT 82, I have a friend with a 2017 with the manual, and another friend with a 2015 manual.
My 2019 4K miles, no issues shifting. Seems smooth and overall, fine. I've owned manuals since my Z28 in 1979
The guy with the 2017 has 32K miles with the last 10K driven pretty hard (since he's owned it). No problems with the manual.
The guy with the 2015 has 7K miles on it, and also has no problems with the manual.

I broke mine in by the book for the first 1000mi. I don't know about the other guys.
One point, though, we all live in the San Jose area of CA. I never gets really cold here- low 40s first thing in the morning in the dead of winter, otherwise the temps really don't drop below 50deg at night and 80% if the days when it isn't winter are 75deg. So. I'm wondering how much the temps do play into this. But I also agree that some folks just get unlucky with poor QC. I also test drove 3, 2018 manuals before I bought mine and none of them had problems right off the lot

 

[shogun32]

Unions can be ok if they keep their demands in check and understand fundamentally that the economic value of a unit of labor is only worth what it produces. Distorting the number may work for a short while but it eventually leads to no job at all. Unions engage in the same distortion as the $15/hr crowd. No, you making a burger is not worth that much. It might be worth 8 even 10 but not 15. Just because you say you want 15 doesn't change the economics of reality. If a local gov't forces an employer to pay $15, then fine, 1/3 of you are no longer employed. Enjoy your now $0/hr you morons.

Ok back on topic'ish. Neither of my '19 trans have been overtly problematic. Good trans, definitely not. But I quickly changed fluids and installed the various Steeda parts to fix Ford's multiple screwups. I can't believe that 5 years in nobody at Ford has licensed Steeda's bracket and made it standard.

 

[GT Pony]

right but the whole point of going to China was to pay slave wages, pollute with impunity, and otherwise duck the social norms of USA-based manufacturing. And play games of paper finance to pretend your company is healthier than it really is.

If you have to baby-sit your supplier constantly or they'll pull a fast one, have to scrutinize every item, every batch to exhausting degree the entire cost savings is moot. And good luck getting fines levied after torturous domestic legal wranglings, or your money out of the country. China has a 2-tier monetary system. You've already given them your IP and they'll rip it off no matter what some piece of paper says.

So for a company like Ford (or any other car manufacturer), do you think it would cost them more to spend a little more money to manage their suppliers, or cost them more to payout warranty claims, pay off lawsuits and lose reputation as a brand worth buying. Certainly it would still cost them less to properly manage their suppliers in Asia (or other parts of the world) than to manufacture some of their big components in the USA. Even their stuff made in the USA needs some level of QA and management.

 

[Vlad Soare]

So for a company like Ford (or any other car manufacturer), do you think it would cost them more to spend a little more money to manage their suppliers, or cost them more to payout warranty claims, pay off lawsuits and lose reputation as a brand worth buying. Certainly it would still cost them less to properly manage their suppliers in Asia (or other parts of the world) than to manufacture some of their big components in the USA. Even their stuff made in the USA needs some level of QA and management.

Nope. Because Ford is not one guy taking care of his own private business. Ford is run by a plethora of managers, over-managers, sub-managers, each with his or her own job and his or her own targets. The manager who's in charge of managing the suppliers today may not be there tomorrow, and he is also not the same with the one who is in charge of the warranty claims. All he cares about is reducing the costs right now, to look good in the eyes of his bosses and to collect his yearly bonus. He couldn't care less about future warranty claims - those are not his business. He's done his job within the boundaries imposed by the company, he's got the paperwork to cover his ass, nothing else matters to him. There will be years until warranty claims arise; he may not even be in the company by then. It's better to collect a big bonus now and not give it a second thought, than to upset his bosses by not meeting his target, in the hope that they might agree with him five years from now.

 

[Deleted member 35786]

My neighbor has 2011 GT with 140K on his manual. No issues except the clutch was just changed as with some shift linkage bushings. Runs good!

 

[Elp_jc]

Anyone


Lmao, you're the first person I've ever heard say that having a Tremec would have been a deal breaker and prefer the MT82.

Maybe. But after having THREE, I probably have more experience with them than most guys here, including yourself . They're supposed to be more robust, which I don't need. And I just never liked their in-transmission shift gate system, but it's a matter of personal preference, I guess. Just like Porsches and BMWs, which have rubbery but precise shifters, the Tremecs felt similar. Never missed a shift, but it just wasn't satisfying to drive. And the last got the 2nd gear synchro redesigned for the worse, with 'sideways' teeth, and that was the defective unit I got. Hope that design went down the toilet, where it belongs, but not sure. Didn't like the shifting, and didn't like the car that much, so sold it at a huge loss relatively quickly. It was my last Tremec, my last Vette, and my last GM .

 

[GT Pony]

Nope. Because Ford is not one guy taking care of his own private business. Ford is run by a plethora of managers, over-managers, sub-managers, each with his or her own job and his or her own targets. The manager who's in charge of managing the suppliers today may not be there tomorrow, and he is also not the same with the one who is in charge of the warranty claims. All he cares about is reducing the costs right now, to look good in the eyes of his bosses and to collect his yearly bonus. He couldn't care less about future warranty claims - those are not his business. He's done his job within the boundaries imposed by the company, he's got the paperwork to cover his ass, nothing else matters to him. There will be years until warranty claims arise; he may not even be in the company by then. It's better to collect a big bonus now and not give it a second thought, than to upset his bosses by not meeting his target, in the hope that they might agree with him five years from now.

It has to come from higher management to make it happen in the lower tiers of management. If a company can't do that, then it's bad management from the top down.

 

[POJ 1]

Could be a good starting point for the next John Grisham book, with car salesmen and lawyers in the main roles?

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