GT vs Tesla

[K4fxd]

I'm thinking it'll be at least 10....

As long as you have to plug them in for longer than 5 minuets they will always suck.

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[AvalancheSVT]

Most of that was before people experienced the Model T, but I have to agree there were people in that general time frame who didn't think the automobile would ever be good. It was probably 20 years later when automobiles had more modern features that most people realized cars were great. It's funny that even back in the 1800s stupid people thought we were going to quickly run out of gas.

But you didn't address the soul thing. No one in that article said horses have soul but automobiles don't. You said that people had that objection to gasoline cars.

I wonder if it will be 20 years before EVs don't suck anymore.

here's the thing. model T came out in 1908. ford made tractors so the idea was that a guy needed to be able to repair these things in a dirt field in the middle of nowhere. that took off.

and it could almost go as fast as ahorse... but only needed food when you used it.

24 years later ford made their flat head V8 it changed everything.

for over a hundred years the internal combustion engine has all but been perfected. we're still finding ways to squeeze more power and reliability out of these things.

electric cars have the same problems they always have...

the batteries don't last long enough.


horses are great. electric cars are cool... but internal combustion engines aren't going anywhere any time soon.

today i blew the doors off something german, maybe it was an audi, and i didn't even mean to. the smile on my face wasn't because i had the fastest car on the planet... it was because the concoction of symphonic cacophony of this machine going way too deep into triple digits upping my adrenaline and dopemine output for that brief moment...

electric cars, for the moment, can't do that and I'm not sure they ever can.
the whir of electric motors just isn't the same.

 

[WildHorse]

A Dual Motor Model 3 Performance would wipe the floor with you

Isn't the Model S performance A high 11 car ?
Edit: ley me google that shit real quick
'dramatic pause'
Yeah, like 11.8's.
All you guys driving Black 6r80 GT's in Kentucky ?

 

[moby4dick]

I think the crux of this banter is that people don’t like silent EVs gapping their ICE rides. Simple as that. So they point to “it can’t turn”, “it can’t go WOT for miles”, “it will explode and kill your family”, “it doesn’t have a soul”, all while they never track their cars, never do races that are actually a mile, and drive an ICE vehicle that is likely to have killed more people due to manufacturing issues than EVs.

Much as I hate to say it I think you’re right. It’s a new reality for a bland whatever car to beat our brash, loud, hot looking muscle/supercar at its own game, and it’s disconcerting . At some point when the EV market is more mature, there will be more than sedan soap bar chassis that look more like hot sports cars, that have tweaked out suspensions, that are not in the 100K range. And for sure battery tech will improve so range becomes much less of an issue.

Always thought the hybrid idea was cool, electric motors for low end insta torque with the ICE on top, plus the sound we all love.

 

[K4fxd]

Always thought the hybrid idea was cool, electric motors for low end insta torque with the ICE on top, plus the sound we all love.

This is a more realistic vision of the future. Battery only electric cars are not practical for mass use.

We have been trying to perfect batteries since the late 1800's

 

[SheepDog]

I'd say this. I just got rid of a 22' Model 3 Performance. One thing I think that gets overlooked about electric cars, is their greater advantage at altitude. Up here in CO, a 480 HP Mustang is really only making about 400, so maybe 330-350 makes it to the wheels whereas the Tesla doesn't care. It makes the same power at sea level as it does at 14,000 ft. Another thing is that it doesn't care about prepped surfaces. Sure, your 800HP mustang may be able to rip off a 9.xx 1/4 at a race track, but on the street a 500 HP Tesla model 3 will destroy you up to 70-80 mph. The Model S Plaid is on another level obviously.

I sold it because 1- It really pissed me off that Elon dramatically dropped the prices on new ones, which also tanked the used values as well. 2- I missed working on my car. Tesla's need no maintenance which to most seems great, but to us enthusiasts is just sadness.. and 3- I really missed rowing my own gears. I guess I'm just a purist. Motor in the front, drive in the rear, and a manual transmission as God intended.

For a daily driver when you can charge at home, a Tesla really is great and make no mistake, a $55k Model 3 Performance will smoke cars that cost 2x as much. However, it can never replace the sound, the vibration, the engagement etc. of driving a Mustang.

 

[SheepDog]

This is a more realistic vision of the future. Battery only electric cars are not practical for mass use.

We have been trying to perfect batteries since the late 1800's

True, however if the resources that were poured into developing internal combustion (heavily subsidized by oil companies) were instead allocated to battery technology starting way back when, I imagine battery powered stuff would be substantially more useful, powerful, efficient etc.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I'd say this. I just got rid of a 22' Model 3 Performance. One thing I think that gets overlooked about electric cars, is their greater advantage at altitude. Up here in CO, a 480 HP Mustang is really only making about 400, so maybe 330-350 makes it to the wheels whereas the Tesla doesn't care. It makes the same power at sea level as it does at 14,000 ft. Another thing is that it doesn't care about prepped surfaces. Sure, your 800HP mustang may be able to rip off a 9.xx 1/4 at a race track, but on the street a 500 HP Tesla model 3 will destroy you up to 70-80 mph. The Model S Plaid is on another level obviously.

I sold it because 1- It really pissed me off that Elon dramatically dropped the prices on new ones, which also tanked the used values as well. 2- I missed working on my car. Tesla's need no maintenance which to most seems great, but to us enthusiasts is just sadness.. and 3- I really missed rowing my own gears. I guess I'm just a purist. Motor in the front, drive in the rear, and a manual transmission as God intended.

For a daily driver when you can charge at home, a Tesla really is great and make no mistake, a $55k Model 3 Performance will smoke cars that cost 2x as much. However, it can never replace the sound, the vibration, the engagement etc. of driving a Mustang.

This post has a lot of the perpetuating issues I have with peoples’ opinions on EVs.

I agree that EVs have a power advantage at altitude, but they have other issues that often comes with high elev: cold winters and reduced range.

It’s not the EVs that don’t care about prepped surfaces, it’s the fact they are AWD. Watch a 911 Turbo S launch on the street. It’s essentially as quick as a Plaid for a couple of seconds before the Plaid’s hp starts pulling away.

People need to be more specific about how a model 3 perf will “smoke” more expensive cars. It will only smoke RWD cars in one performance metric - acceleration from a dig. Line one up against a ZL1 or GT500 from a roll, braking, or any number of other performance aspects and it will get smoked. Heck, even an A10 GT will beat it or at least keep up from a roll (assuming equal starts), the longer the race goes the better chance the GT has.

A Tesla is not the last word in performance or acceleration for that matter (Plaid notwithstanding).

 

[SheepDog]

This post has a lot of the perpetuating issues I have with peoples’ opinions on EVs.

I agree that EVs have a power advantage at altitude, but they have other issues that often comes with high elev: cold winters and reduced range.

It’s not the EVs that don’t care about prepped surfaces, it’s the fact they are AWD. Watch a 911 Turbo S launch on the street. It’s essentially as quick as a Plaid for a couple of seconds before the Plaid’s hp starts pulling away.

People need to be more specific about how a model 3 perf will “smoke” more expensive cars. It will only smoke RWD cars in one performance metric - acceleration from a dig. Line one up against a ZL1 or GT500 from a roll, braking, or any number of other performance aspects and it will get smoked. Heck, even an A10 GT will beat it or at least keep up from a roll (assuming equal starts), the longer the race goes the better chance the GT has.

A Tesla is not the last word in performance or acceleration for that matter (Plaid notwithstanding).

Mustang's are street cars, Tesla's are street cars, and so is your ZL1 ( you do know this is a Mustang Forum right?) A Model 3 performance will out perform pretty much anything in its price range on the street. As stated, I sold the thing for various reasons but they do have a lot of performance to offer. Sure, the range is reduced in cold weather, but no more so than the 197 miles I get on my E85 tuned Mach1. a 911 Turbo S isn't even part of the conversation. that car costs $250k. For that you could buy a Model S Plaid, your ZL1, and a loaded Bronco. A Tesla certainly isn't the last word in performance, but for the money - they are pretty hard to beat.

 

[JustSomeGuy]

I like to rev a bit next to a Tesla just to remind them what a good old V8 sounds like. And that I’m doing my part using that good dinosaur juice

It’s important to recycle dinosaurs instead of letting them just sit in the ground for another 65 million years like some people would… I guess I’m just a bit more forward thinking than most.

 

[MAGS1]

It’s important to recycle dinosaurs instead of letting them just sit in the ground for another 65 million years like some people would… I guess I’m just a bit more forward thinking than most.

Gotta make sure they didn’t get wiped off the planet for no reason!

 

[Hack]

Much as I hate to say it I think you’re right. It’s a new reality for a bland whatever car to beat our brash, loud, hot looking muscle/supercar at its own game, and it’s disconcerting . At some point when the EV market is more mature, there will be more than sedan soap bar chassis that look more like hot sports cars, that have tweaked out suspensions, that are not in the 100K range. And for sure battery tech will improve so range becomes much less of an issue.

Always thought the hybrid idea was cool, electric motors for low end insta torque with the ICE on top, plus the sound we all love.

It's all anethema to the light, sporty car that I want.

True, however if the resources that were poured into developing internal combustion (heavily subsidized by oil companies) were instead allocated to battery technology starting way back when, I imagine battery powered stuff would be substantially more useful, powerful, efficient etc.

Man, you have that backwards. ICE development was paid for by customers who purchased them. There were no subsidies given like there are for EV purchases. They are STILL subsidizing EV purchases. The tech isn't good enough to stand on its own yet.

This post has a lot of the perpetuating issues I have with peoples’ opinions on EVs.

I agree that EVs have a power advantage at altitude, but they have other issues that often comes with high elev: cold winters and reduced range.

It’s not the EVs that don’t care about prepped surfaces, it’s the fact they are AWD. Watch a 911 Turbo S launch on the street. It’s essentially as quick as a Plaid for a couple of seconds before the Plaid’s hp starts pulling away.

People need to be more specific about how a model 3 perf will “smoke” more expensive cars. It will only smoke RWD cars in one performance metric - acceleration from a dig. Line one up against a ZL1 or GT500 from a roll, braking, or any number of other performance aspects and it will get smoked. Heck, even an A10 GT will beat it or at least keep up from a roll (assuming equal starts), the longer the race goes the better chance the GT has.

A Tesla is not the last word in performance or acceleration for that matter (Plaid notwithstanding).

The thing that EVs can do better than ICEs is adjust to road conditions and apply more or less torque depending on how much traction the tires have. EVs can do this really quickly, whereas an ICE has a bunch of rotating mass that can't adjust like that.

 

[Enis]

teslas are quick not fast. huge difference.

Well considering Tesla plaid model s or whatever ran the 1/4 mile at 8.77 seconds that is better then quick and it is hella fast for a street legal car from the factory. I much prefer ICE right now but the tesla make some seriously capable cars

 

[noGreta!]

Performance figures are irrelevant to me regarding Teslas. A car is so much more than that.

Every time one of those sanctimonious snobs try to race me on the freeway I pretend they aren't there - that's the worst you can do to these egopaths that try to justify their purchase by going faster than a Mustang.

 

[wazslow]

Well considering Tesla plaid model s or whatever ran the 1/4 mile at 8.77 seconds that is better then quick and it is hella fast for a street legal car from the factory. I much prefer ICE right now but the tesla make some seriously capable cars

A stock Tesla Plaid does not run 8.77 in stock form. They usually run 9.3x from what I've seen.

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