ESS actual needs vs wants?

[JTM88]

I hate hearing the open bypass all the time

I bet you could switch to the TIAL recirc valve and plumb it back into the intake before the SC. It may quiet it some.

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[Grimreaper]

For a "mild" (6-700whp) pump gas car to be enjoyed on the street and wanting to know and feel the supercharger at low to mid throttle a PD setup is the answer. You just can't beat the area under the curve which impacts 90-95% of where most people drive. You know it's there, you can feel it every time without ever going over 3-4k rpm.

Build something that impacts 80-90% of your use and you'll enjoy it more. Like a boat, get your 2nd one and one that fits the real usage expected.

 

[Goterr0r]

I've had both a centri and PD on the s550 platform. My 18 mt82 car with a roush was a blast to drive and took away the gearing issue with the 18+ Mt82 with no more down low slugginess while crusing. My 22 Mach has an ESS and a 10R80 and it drives like stock until you start to lay into it. Then the 10r and centri kick in and pair together like they are meant to be....

For me, its PD for a manual and a centri for the 10r all day long to help each others pain and strong points.

I did a refurb ESS G3 G3 intercooler GT500 injectors with a BAP. very simple setup and more than enough for me for now to have some fun.

 

[Shepard]

I might start something by saying this, but if you just want something fun, why not the base g2? Just based on some of the data and slip times that I've seen from this forum, the g2 seems to hang with it pretty well until you get to dedicated racecar builds where you run out of blower. The price difference might make less sense if you want the bigger g3 intercooler.

This was a comparison with the same 105mm pulley and e85 for both the G2 and G3. "Same everything" so this is the difference in only head units and not in bigger G3 head + bigger intercooler. Getting a g2 might be enough for what you want, but if you're sure you'll want more later, the g3+ flows more and makes more power.

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https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/ess-centrifugal-mustang-superchargers.154557/page-121

> I don't know that a centri is the answer compared to a pd, but if you're just looking at hp/dollar and something fun for the on ramps like you've referred to, I think a g2 might get you there.

> There's a guy I have a similar commute with that has a g3x on his Bullitt and he's always got the goofiest happy look on his face when he gets to be first at the light. He's having fun with it.

 

[TXGTPig]

I might start something by saying this, but if you just want something fun, why not the base g2? Just based on some of the data and slip times that I've seen from this forum, the g2 seems to hang with it pretty well until you get to dedicated racecar builds where you run out of blower. The price difference might make less sense if you want the bigger g3 intercooler.


This was a comparison with the same 105mm pulley and e85 for both the G2 and G3. "Same everything" so this is the difference in only head units and not in bigger G3 head + bigger intercooler. Getting a g2 might be enough for what you want, but if you're sure you'll want more later, the g3+ flows more and makes more power.

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https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/ess-centrifugal-mustang-superchargers.154557/page-121

> I don't know that a centri is the answer compared to a pd, but if you're just looking at hp/dollar and something fun for the on ramps like you've referred to, I think a g2 might get you there.

> There's a guy I have a similar commute with that has a g3x on his Bullitt and he's always got the goofiest happy look on his face when he gets to be first at the light. He's having fun with it.

Man, great information right here, thanks. Does the G2 have self contained oil like the G3, or do you have to tap the oil pan?

 

[Shepard]

Man, great information right here, thanks. Does the G2 have self contained oil like the G3, or do you have to tap the oil pan?

It’s self contained. Forgot to mention that some people who have owned both say that the g2 is a bit louder, which they missed after upgrading. I know it’s just blower noise so it’s a subjective part of the fun but if that’s important to you, it’s good to know.

 

[TXGTPig]

It’s self contained. Forgot to mention that some people who have owned both say that the g2 is a bit louder, which they missed after upgrading. I know it’s just blower noise so it’s a subjective part of the fun but if that’s important to you, it’s good to know.

I think you just sold me on a G2 with the G3 intercooler. Thanks!!!

 

[TonyT930]

Do these centris tend to heat soak like a Whipple or roush?

 

[MLO 351]

What's the view on headers, are they a must have with an ESS G3 making 600 - 700 hp on pump fuel?

 

[robvas]

Do these centris tend to heat soak like a Whipple or roush?

Who said Whipples heat soak?

 

[HKusp]

What's the view on headers, are they a must have with an ESS G3 making 600 - 700 hp on pump fuel?

With the average tuner, more than likely, a cat failure is in the future. So if you take the cats off, no, the stock headers are designed very well on these cars and are capable of supporting much more than 700whp.

 

[Slow Yote]

I might start something by saying this, but if you just want something fun, why not the base g2? Just based on some of the data and slip times that I've seen from this forum, the g2 seems to hang with it pretty well until you get to dedicated racecar builds where you run out of blower. The price difference might make less sense if you want the bigger g3 intercooler.

This was a comparison with the same 105mm pulley and e85 for both the G2 and G3. "Same everything" so this is the difference in only head units and not in bigger G3 head + bigger intercooler. Getting a g2 might be enough for what you want, but if you're sure you'll want more later, the g3+ flows more and makes more power.

(Source)
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/ess-centrifugal-mustang-superchargers.154557/page-121

> I don't know that a centri is the answer compared to a pd, but if you're just looking at hp/dollar and something fun for the on ramps like you've referred to, I think a g2 might get you there.

> There's a guy I have a similar commute with that has a g3x on his Bullitt and he's always got the goofiest happy look on his face when he gets to be first at the light. He's having fun with it.

I’ll tell you why I went G3 vs G2. I wanted the bigger intercooler and that upgrade alone made up the difference in price, essentially.

I’m running GT500 injectors, VMP BAP, G3, 120 pulley, and tuned by Wengard. I went with the VMP because that’s what Wengard preferred.

Like the OP, I wasn’t looking for the fastest car on the road, I just wanted something with a little more power since it’s my fun/project car. The kit was extremely easy to put on, I was able to do it myself in a 6 hours or so with no help.

 

[dmills4229]

Here is how my thinking has gone.... and for me money was not a deciding factor. I wanted to buy once/cry once.

I knew that I wanted at least a g3. And if getting the g3 might as well make it an g3x. I also know that I wanted max. cooling, so I would get the g4 intercooler.

Well if you look at the pricing, the g3r is not much more than the g3x with g4 intercooler. Like $600 last time I looked at it.

I have talked with a knowledgeable ESS dude and he confirmed that pulley for pulley, the bigger g3r will make more power than the g2 or g3. Specifically, even if I want to run pump 93 on a 120mm pulley for a while. So, again, with money not being the deciding factor. I will be picking the g3r.

 

[TonyT930]

I have a question. I was thinking about an ess g3x with g4 intercooler. I priced it out, parts, and installation..Because I have a 2017 with 40k miles, should I have the timing chains, tensioner, and phasers change before installation? If so, what brand etc...? 93 octane only. Never e85. Not available

 

[robvas]

Don't buy a 1100hp setup to make 600hp

People like to overbuy but if you're sticking on pump gas and not building the car, just save your $

G2 isn't a slouch....9.4 @ 147.5 mph

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/ess-g2-and-g3x-1-4-mile-passes.181571/

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