Need recommendations on hellion sleeper vs ess vs whipple

[93Ford]

So plans with my car are to get some kind of boost in the future. Looking for around 700-750 whp as e85 stations are few and far between so I have to use 93. Iv been leaning towards the hellion sleeper kit the most as I know turbos put the least stress on everything for amount of hp they put out. Want to be as reliable and street frendly as a boosted coyote can be as it will be driven year around. Car wont really ever race maybe the rare roll race or going to the drag strip a few times a year at most. Car is a 19 gt pp1 10 speed. How does the twin 62s compare to a centri blower under 5k rpm are they spooling and making boost down low. Anybody ever had any problems with the sleeper kit or would the top mount be better for a daily driver

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[HKusp]

You might get more action on this question over in the forced induction side of the forum. There are plenty of opinions on this. If money isn't an issue and a little more maintenance isn't either, then turbo is the way to go. It will easily make the horsepower goal you have set. If you want to save a little money and a lot of effort if you are doing the work yourself, then you can't go wrong with the ESS G3X and G4 intercooler set-up on a 10speed car. It will do everything you want, be reliable and easily hit 700whp on 93 and a good tune.

 

[93Ford]

Wait is this not the forced induction side of the forum. I have always wanted a turbo v8. What extra maintenance is there compared to a supercharger

 

[robvas]

How does the twin 62s compare to a centri blower under 5k rpm are they spooling and making boost down low.

Yes they do. Go look a dyno charts of both.

 

[HKusp]

Wait is this not the forced induction side of the forum. I have always wanted a turbo v8. What extra maintenance is there compared to a supercharger

I could have sworn I originally saw this in the basic V8 mods section. If that wasn't the case, I apologize.

 

[93Ford]

I could have sworn I originally saw this in the basic V8 mods section. If that wasn't the case, I apologize.

Yea its always been here. Its all good

 

[Mach1Racer]

How does the twin 62s compare to a centri blower under 5k rpm are they spooling and making boost down low. Anybody ever had any problems with the sleeper kit or would the top mount be better for a daily driver

I wouldn’t try to compare a 62 twin-turbo to your run of the mill centrifugal supercharger. The TT should have a better low-end response as the turbos build boost.

If power from 1,500-5,000 rpms is your thing, you can’t beat a Positive Displacement blower like a Whipple or TVS2650. Nitrous is a different story altogether…

“Sleeper Kit” or bottom mount kits can have clearance problems and weather proofing issues depending on design and installation. This is typically not a consideration of a PD blower or Centri. Top Mount kits depending on design and power level can cause valve-float.

With that being said, plenty of people are happy with a TT setup. In fact, I’m sure you would be happy with any forced induction once properly installed and tuned.

One consideration is upgrading your transmissions stall converter to help with the laziness of a Centri off the line in a dig, 1/8, and or 1/4 mile race. This is generally not done or needed with a PD blower and some TT setups. Smaller vs Larger turbos is a study you might want to consider.

I find that it’s the journey that is the most fun. Optimizing your setup and learning to drive it better. If you want to keep it simple and have power down low, Positive Displacement blower.

 

[93Ford]

I started looking at some Dyno graphs and I'm surprised seeing the tt kits are making great power even as low as 4k rpm witch I would be more than happy with. Im not going to be lowering the car and plan to stay with a 27-28in tire so not sure if ground clearance would be an issue. one big thing is I'm not a fan of cluttering up the engine bay with tons of piping making it harder to work on than it already is. so perhaps the bottom mount turbo would be better than the top mount for that. The whipple would definitely be the least cluttering but it would be the hardest on the whole drivetrain traction would definitely be an issue . ess is the most enticing because of the price but the base bottom mount hellion is honestly not much more. Once the factory trans fries i would probably go with a rsa built trans and converter

 

[Zrussian13]

Wait is this not the forced induction side of the forum. I have always wanted a turbo v8. What extra maintenance is there compared to a supercharger

No other maintenance but potential for failure points. I've been turbo'd for over 4 years now on the s550 and put almost 70k on my car. Ive had one pin hole in my intercooler, a boost leak from a vacuum line breaking, and several boost leaks from the driverside charhe pipe fitting (i think hellion should useba longer one), one wastegate clamp rust out and blow the wastegate off and one wire break to my boost controller. I also replaced the oil pump belt once because it looked a little cracked so I guess you could call thst extra maintenance lol.

 

[93Ford]

No other maintenance but potential for failure points. I've been turbo'd for over 4 years now on the s550 and put almost 70k on my car. Ive had one pin hole in my intercooler, a boost leak from a vacuum line breaking, and several boost leaks from the driverside charhe pipe fitting (i think hellion should useba longer one), one wastegate clamp rust out and blow the wastegate off and one wire break to my boost controller. I also replaced the oil pump belt once because it looked a little cracked so I guess you could call thst extra maintenance lol.

Sounds totally fine to me I'd be rather pleased if that's all I ever had to do.

 

[Zrussian13]

I started looking at some Dyno graphs and I'm surprised seeing the tt kits are making great power even as low as 4k rpm witch I would be more than happy with. Im not going to be lowering the car and plan to stay with a 27-28in tire so not sure if ground clearance would be an issue. one big thing is I'm not a fan of cluttering up the engine bay with tons of piping making it harder to work on than it already is. so perhaps the bottom mount turbo would be better than the top mount for that. The whipple would definitely be the least cluttering but it would be the hardest on the whole drivetrain traction would definitely be an issue . ess is the most enticing because of the price but the base bottom mount hellion is honestly not much more. Once the factory trans fries i would probably go with a rsa built trans and converter

Id have to look again but I'm pretty sure im making peak torque at 5k. By 4k its starting to get wild though. If you have the a10 guys are getting in to the 9s on spring pressure and a good tire.

 

[Zrussian13]

Sounds totally fine to me I'd be rather pleased if that's all I ever had to do.

Yeah honestly its not much. Most guys don't drive as much as me so unless you put 20k miles on it a year you'd probably have less. Plus I beat the shit out of my car everyday. Why else drive it?

 

[93Ford]

Yeah honestly its not much. Most guys don't drive as much as me so unless you put 20k miles on it a year you'd probably have less. Plus I beat the shit out of my car everyday. Why else drive it?

Its hard to get in these things and not floor it at least once, the sound, the feel, the crazy high redline, everything is just screaming PUNISH ME

 

[Zrussian13]

Its hard to get in these things and not floor it at least once, the sound, the feel, the crazy high redline, everything is just screaming PUNISH ME

Can't agree more. If you go with the turbos the wastegates will give you another reason to want to get on it. They sound out right mean on these cars.

 

[93Ford]

How does a wastegated ess supercharger do in the midrange compared to a turbo setup. I am a big fan of how simple the ess is compared to a turbo setup it’s also a whole lot cheaper.

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