Engine "typewriter" tick with no issues?

[mrgooden]

hrm... is it just me or am I not hearing any ticks?

Dude, my engine has every noise a 5.0 makes. I have the BBQ ticket until the engine is hot, then I get a tap once hot, also 2000-3200 RPM rattle, not to mention the whine of a charger when the transmission is hot. Forgot to mention valve ticks it butt off on start up for 34 seconds.

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[Red65]

I'm at 63,000, had the tick since the first oil change and I've beat on the car pretty good. It gets run out to 7400-7500 rpm regularly. The tick is the same as when it first started, and my car barely burns any oil. Over the entire oil change period, I only have to add maybe 1/4 to 1/2 a quart at most.

 

[Albertcado]

I'm at 63,000, had the tick since the first oil change and I've beat on the car pretty good. It gets run out to 7400-7500 rpm regularly. The tick is the same as when it first started, and my car barely burns any oil. Over the entire oil change period, I only have to add maybe 1/4 to 1/2 a quart at most.

That's very good news, glad to see the tick is just a mystery noise and not a sign of an issue
Did anyone ever figure out what actually causes the noise though?

 

[Red65]

That's very good news, glad to see the tick is just a mystery noise and not a sign of an issue
Did anyone ever figure out what actually causes the noise though?

No clue. My guess has honestly been the timing chain tensioners, since they are oil fed and the OEM ones don't seem to have any sort of gasket where it bolts to the head. No one seems to have any issues once the engine revs up above 2000-2300, which is when oil pressure also starts to pick up. I have no physical proof of this being the case with the tensioners, but it makes sense that when oil pressure is lower, it causes the tensioner issues since it's also capable of leaking pressure behind the tensioner itself. MMR has made a set of tensioners that have an O-ring seal built in, and they claim that "it fixes the 2k rpm rattle". Now, as far as how related is the "2k rpm rattle" and the bbq tick, I'm not sure. My car doesn't have the traditional bbq at idle that seems to also have affected the Gen 1 coyote, but it does have the 2k rattle (more like a tick in my case; other cars truly do rattle).

Again, this is all a huge guess because I haven't had the time or ability to test it with my car being my daily. I'd love to hear someone chime in if they actually have experience with the MMR tensioners.

 

[Brokestang]

No clue. My guess has honestly been the timing chain tensioners, since they are oil fed and the OEM ones don't seem to have any sort of gasket where it bolts to the head. No one seems to have any issues once the engine revs up above 2000-2300, which is when oil pressure also starts to pick up. I have no physical proof of this being the case with the tensioners, but it makes sense that when oil pressure is lower, it causes the tensioner issues since it's also capable of leaking pressure behind the tensioner itself. MMR has made a set of tensioners that have an O-ring seal built in, and they claim that "it fixes the 2k rpm rattle". Now, as far as how related is the "2k rpm rattle" and the bbq tick, I'm not sure. My car doesn't have the traditional bbq at idle that seems to also have affected the Gen 1 coyote, but it does have the 2k rattle (more like a tick in my case; other cars truly do rattle).

Again, this is all a huge guess because I haven't had the time or ability to test it with my car being my daily. I'd love to hear someone chime in if they actually have experience with the MMR tensioners.

Mine has no tick & only has the rattle if I don't let it idle up to operating temperature before taking off. If I don't let it idle up to operating temperature then the rattle happens around 2k rpm.

 

[Expat]

I posted this oil consumption spreadsheet on my post concerning burning blue smoke, which has now converted to a long block replacement.

What is curious and maybe worth asking is, Does the typewriter tick only happen when dealerships change the oil?

At home I Pre-fill the oil filter before screwing it on. Is it possible that after 5,000 miles there could still be air left in the filter housing, assembly, channels etc. causing the famous tick?

Could it be related to the OEM Ford filter, if yes, why does it not occur on Dealer lots, but does occur after first dealer service?

I have only changed the oil four times, so it can hardly be scientific, are K&N filters somehow related to eliminating the tick, What brand oil filters are being used and what is the result of typewriter tick?

Personally I am very interested in preventing any tick at all, especially if it can be done without the use of additives!

 

[Albertcado]

I posted this oil consumption spreadsheet on my post concerning burning blue smoke, which has now converted to a long block replacement.

What is curious and maybe worth asking is, Does the typewriter tick only happen when dealerships change the oil?

At home I Pre-fill the oil filter before screwing it on. Is it possible that after 5,000 miles there could still be air left in the filter housing, assembly, channels etc. causing the famous tick?

Could it be related to the OEM Ford filter, if yes, why does it not occur on Dealer lots, but does occur after first dealer service?

I have only changed the oil four times, so it can hardly be scientific, are K&N filters somehow related to eliminating the tick, What brand oil filters are being used and what is the result of typewriter tick?

Personally I am very interested in preventing any tick at all, especially if it can be done without the use of additives!

I dont think it has anything to do with the filter or oil changes at the dealership vs a shop or doing it yourself.

 

[OutWest]

I posted this oil consumption spreadsheet on my post concerning burning blue smoke, which has now converted to a long block replacement.

What is curious and maybe worth asking is, Does the typewriter tick only happen when dealerships change the oil?

At home I Pre-fill the oil filter before screwing it on. Is it possible that after 5,000 miles there could still be air left in the filter housing, assembly, channels etc. causing the famous tick?

Could it be related to the OEM Ford filter, if yes, why does it not occur on Dealer lots, but does occur after first dealer service?

I have only changed the oil four times, so it can hardly be scientific, are K&N filters somehow related to eliminating the tick, What brand oil filters are being used and what is the result of typewriter tick?

Personally I am very interested in preventing any tick at all, especially if it can be done without the use of additives!

Notice that when you choose your own oil, it doesn't? I bet it is because Pennzoil and Castrol have more Boron than dealership Ford oil (which I believe is different than the oil used at the factory). That is what Ceratec contains.

 

[Red65]

Not to throw a wrench into the equation, but I've used Pennzoil Ultra Platinum (which a lot of members credit with getting rid of their tick) for the last 3 oil cycles and I still have a ticking sound around 2k rpm. From the first day off of the dealership lot to now, I've never had the idle bbq tick, using either motorcraft or pennzoil. It is possible that the idle bbq tick and the 2k rpm noise are mutually exclusive. From other owners I've talked to, some don't have the 2k rpm noise, and that could possibly come down to even though the chain tensioners don't use a gasket, subtle differences in machining tolerances can result in some engines having oil bleed down issues in the tensioners, and others not.

Here's the real question: Has anyone that's done a top-to-bottom engine rebuild at a 3rd party/their own shop had these same noises, or is this exclusive to factory-built engines only? I only ask this because I can't recall seeing anyone that's done custom coyote builds talking about having these same noise issues.

 

[Mdtaylorjr]

Just did my first oil change on my 2021 GT bout 2 weeks ago. I have no tick or noises at all 700 miles after the oil change. But have noticed a few things
#1 the factory filters are not Motorcraft they are black and simply say FoMoCo in white letters. I used the basic Pennsville full synthetic which is $21 for 5 qts at Walmart and a Fram filter since I haven't been able to find a Motorcraft filter in about a year. I believe ford is definitely using a different oil or additive at the plant. Because my MPG went up right at 1 mpg over the last 700 miles after the oil change. The first 3k miles it averaged a little under 22 mpg and now it's running almost 23 mpg. While still not as good as my 2017 I'll take it.
As far as oil burning I have none still at the top of the hash mark at 3k.

 

[Albertcado]

My 1st engine had the tick after it's 1st oil change at the dealership with the basic MC 5w20 synthetic blend (replaced under warranty for excessive oil consumption and bad cylinder scoring). Now my 2nd engine after the replacement started out with Motorcraft FULL SYNTHETIC to my request so it never got whatever oil they usually put in from the factory for break in. It ran great and quiet all throughout the break in period, but after my recent 1st oil change after 1000 miles at the dealership (MC 5w30 Full Synthetic) the tick appeared at idle and at low rpms (1500~1700).
It still runs great, but I'll have to put more miles on it before I can tell if it's consuming oil or not.

Did a poll recently on reddit for 2018~2021 gts and so far, 37 out of 42 people have posted that their engine has the tick but runs well with little to no oil consumption. I'm hoping my 2nd engine will also fit that criteria...

 

[barron64]

My tick started at 3500 mi on original fill from factory. Mobile 1 made tick worse, Ceratec fixed the tick and the more miles on oil the quieter the engine got. Castrol edge slightly quieter than Mobile 1. Penzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 on last change and tick is gone. 44k miles and no oil consumption for oil change interval. Engine runs strong.

 

[Albertcado]

My tick started at 3500 mi on original fill from factory. Mobile 1 made tick worse, Ceratec fixed the tick and the more miles on oil the quieter the engine got. Castrol edge slightly quieter than Mobile 1. Penzoil Ultra Platinum 5w-30 on last change and tick is gone. 44k miles and no oil consumption for oil change interval. Engine runs strong.

Good to hear another owner with the tick or that had it showing no oil consumption or performance issues. I'm assuming you drive yours spirited from time to time and still no abnormal oil consumed?

 

[19gtaz]

I bought my car with 2000 miles on it and it supposedly had its oil changed. No ticks or noises.
At 5000 miles I changed to Quaker State 5w30 and no noises. I've never had any noises and it has never used any oil up to 3000 miles on the last oil change. My 2018 F150 makes more noise and sometimes clatters at idle with 30,000 miles on it, always has from day one. It uses 10 oz of oil at 3000 miles and only a bit more at the 5,000 mile oil change mark. It has 5w20 Quaker State and it didn't help a bit, next oil change I'm going to try 5w30. Honestly it's never bothered my on the truck until I started reading about it on this forum, I just thought it was normal.

 

[19VelocityBlueGt]

I had slight tick, I think But hard to tell if it’s that or d/I pump put NMF Ionizing friction Reducer in it haven’t heard it since.

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