Border wall negotiations

[Hack]

Is there any growth that actually resulted in increased tax revenue ? I believe we're dealing with fiscal imbecile who thinks national debt is something that can be increased indefinitely with no consequence because "it's the greatest country in the world or something something". Right now there is some growth but not nearly anywhere near where it matters for tax revenue, instead the tax cut (corporate one, my taxes hasn't gone down a single bit, effective tax rate is higher) has benefited corporations and that's about it.
I wish people would realize that this entire border wall meltdown is over 200 miles of a wall (which is supposed to be built for this $5.6B - no idea who thinks that actually is going to solve any problems (aside from the discussion whether wall is effective or not which is a separate issue). But you have to con your believers into thinking that actually something was accomplished.
With this fake national emergency, he is playing stupid games and he will win stupid prizes...

You lost all credibility when you called Trump an imbecile WRT fiscal matters. Did you forget that he has been a very successful businessman for many years? You are obviously not thinking clearly. You have a bad case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

You say the argument is over a small section of wall. Obviously that isn't the reason for the argument, because it's a very small expenditure for the federal government relative to other things they spend money on. Also, the democrats were recently advocates of building more walls and only switched over after it became Trump's goal. It's clear the only reason they are standing in the way is that they care more about politics than they do about the American people.

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[CAL Captain]

Is there any growth that actually resulted in increased tax revenue ? I believe we're dealing with fiscal imbecile who thinks national debt is something that can be increased indefinitely with no consequence because "it's the greatest country in the world or something something". Right now there is some growth but not nearly anywhere near where it matters for tax revenue, instead the tax cut (corporate one, my taxes hasn't gone down a single bit, effective tax rate is higher) has benefited corporations and that's about it.
I wish people would realize that this entire border wall meltdown is over 200 miles of a wall (which is supposed to be built for this $5.6B - no idea who thinks that actually is going to solve any problems (aside from the discussion whether wall is effective or not which is a separate issue). But you have to con your believers into thinking that actually something was accomplished.
With this fake national emergency, he is playing stupid games and he will win stupid prizes...

Every month, the IRS reports new record revenue. Evidently, tax cuts produce more revenue. This was proven under Reagan so I'm not sure why it's even questioned. The problem is and has always been SPENDING.

Regarding the wall, they work everywhere they're tried. Look it up.

 

[kz]

You lost all credibility when you called Trump an imbecile WRT fiscal matters. Did you forget that he has been a very successful businessman for many years? You are obviously not thinking clearly.

LOL. How about your credibility calling him successful businessman ? Unless you define success by employing cheap illegal workforce while preaching to his voting base about a wall ?

Growth is growth, if you can't make it in this economy you really need to do some self observation. Our economy went through 8-10 years of stagnation and decline under the previous administrations. Our economy thrives when people feel confidant about having a job and are spending money. When people spend money, someone else gets a paycheck and spends it, it revolves around and round.

Of course. Nobody questions people have jobs. Problem is how much money these people are making. You have "jobs" where you have to work incredibly hard and can barely survive.
And no question about stopping illegal immigration. It's illegal. But you have to complete fool thinking 200 miles of wall is going to fix this. Even a wall along the entire border (which by now everyone should realize is not going to happen given cost for 200 miles of it) would not help it. What would help is a plan to fix what is driving those people out of these countries. Of course there always will be some wanting to come here, but hopefully everyone agrees that some of those central american countries are awful and it's not going to change because someone builds a piece of a wall.

 

[CAL Captain]

LOL. How about your credibility calling him successful businessman ? Unless you define success by employing cheap illegal workforce while preaching to his voting base about a wall ?




Of course. Nobody questions people have jobs. Problem is how much money these people are making. You have "jobs" where you have to work incredibly hard and can barely survive.
And no question about stopping illegal immigration. It's illegal. But you have to complete fool thinking 200 miles of wall is going to fix this. Even a wall along the entire border (which by now everyone should realize is not going to happen given cost for 200 miles of it) would not help it. What would help is a plan to fix what is driving those people out of these countries. Of course there always will be some wanting to come here, but hopefully everyone agrees that some of those central american countries are awful and it's not going to change because someone builds a piece of a wall.

Cheaper to build the wall. It can be done. And Trump will do it.

 

[Docscurlock]

"Of course. Nobody questions people have jobs. Problem is how much money these people are making. You have "jobs" where you have to work incredibly hard and can barely survive."
Having a good job relies on having some sort of skill that is worth money, those skills are attainable by anyone. It also relies on having a good work ethic, making yourself irreplaceable at work, being reliable, being someone who is a team player, knowing something about your job etc. Unfortunately, we are not promised an easy way in life, it takes hard work and dedication to make it unless you are a trust fund baby. I spent many years working more than 1 job to make ends meet and support my family and my current job (18 years) requires 50-70 hour work weeks, I own 2 veterinary clinics. I am a solo practitioner. I am all about helping people who need help getting a leg up but it is getting ridiculous.

"And no question about stopping illegal immigration. It's illegal. But you have to complete fool thinking 200 miles of wall is going to fix this. Even a wall along the entire border (which by now everyone should realize is not going to happen given cost for 200 miles of it) would not help it."
Of course it won't stop illegal immigration or drugs, or human trafficking or terrorism but if it slows it down even a little its worth every penny. If a non porous border funnels entry into smaller more controlled sections then we can do more to regulate, enforce, stop trafficking and control who enters our country. This can't be anything but positive, immigrants can be welcomed into the country in a controlled way, drugs can be confiscated, human trafficking can be slowed down, potential criminals and terrorists can be screened/stopped before they get into out cities. A favorite talking point of liberals is if it even saves one child, its worth every penny. I agree, if one child is saved from dehydration in the desert, if one child is saved from human traffickers, if one child in the country is saved from an MS13 gang murder or an illegal drunk driver, I say build the damn thing and be done with it.

"What would help is a plan to fix what is driving those people out of these countries. Of course there always will be some wanting to come here, but hopefully everyone agrees that some of those central american countries are awful and it's not going to change because someone builds a piece of a wall."

I wouldn't even begin to know how we could do this, I have been to a few SA, Central America countries and Mexico and they are so full of poverty, corruption, crime and other problems. This problem is way above both of our pay grades and would be better left up to a higher power (ie GOD). We should just worry about what we can do to keep our country from ending up the same way.

 

[Rich]

I feel as though Trump has shown himself to not be a fiscal conservative, which is frustrating to me. You can say that he has to pick his battles, but there's a system of checks and balances built into the government for a reason.

This showdown over the border wall has gotten Trump to his highest approval rating ever, but I wish he had just gotten the money when the Republicans were in full control of both the house and senate. Then this showdown could be about shrinking other areas of the federal government budget.

Apparently the american people don't really care that government spending is still spiraling completely out of control. Yes I understand that the growth from tax cuts will help raise more money for the government, but continuing this high rate of government growth is unsustainable.

I fully agree with the spending issue, and your frustration that Trump is not fiscally conservative. The reason he was not able to address the immigration problem before is that Paul Ryan is a lying scoundrel. He has always turned a blind eye to illegal immigration. Ryan travelled to the boarder and realized how terrible the situation has been. For about a week he talked about doing something about it, then flipped again. I believe he was the worst Speaker in recent history, worse than Pelosi. At least she does what she says she will do, he is a two-faced hypocrite. And the "Turtle" is not much better. Unfortunately the republican party has many weak leaders.

 

[Rich]

... And no question about stopping illegal immigration. It's illegal. But you have to complete fool thinking 200 miles of wall is going to fix this. Even a wall along the entire border (which by now everyone should realize is not going to happen given cost for 200 miles of it) would not help it. What would help is a plan to fix what is driving those people out of these countries. Of course there always will be some wanting to come here, but hopefully everyone agrees that some of those central american countries are awful and it's not going to change because someone builds a piece of a wall.

All government agencies involved with border security are on record stating that more and better barriers are needed to deter illegal immigration. Areas where those barriers have been build caused a dramatic reduction. This allows border security to focus on areas where a barrier is not practical. Trump originally wanted $25 billion, but congress would not cooperate.

As far as a plan to fix Central American countries, that is their fault and their problem. I am not heartless, I used to travel to Mexico often to help build homes for people. I no longer go because it has become too risky. Those countries have adopted socialist policies and are steeped in corruption and poverty. There are towns in the US that look like a third world country because of illegal immigration. That is now their culture, how do you fix that?

 

[Anthony 05 GT]

You have a large economy, not a strong one.

Australia's economy is the best performing in the world. We avoided recession in the (USA initiated) GFC and haven't had a bad year since George Michael's Freedom '90 was big in the charts. https://www.worldfinance.com/special-reports/recession-proof-australia

If your president dodges congress to nab the lazy five bills he wants, he'll set a precedent that President O'Rourke will use to steal your guns. Beware of what you wish for.

Hey Jimmy boy, wake up and know what the hell you are discussing here. O'Rourke will never be president and we have a supreme court that will not allow that jackass to steal anything. Since when do democrat politicians follow precedent? They have always tried to steal whatever they can before we all smack their asses back down. Trump has a perfectly good reason to declare a state of emergency. Australia's economy is no concern of mine.

 

[hockale1]

The echo chamber going on in here is astounding...

 

[Jimmy G]

....As far as our errant Australian, you sir, are dumb. As an American (that constitutionally has a right to have an opinion through the voting process) I am very proud of President Trump.

One thing that really stands out to foreigners when they visit America is just how polite you people are. Even when you call me dumb, you extend me the courtesy of calling me sir. That's just beautiful .

The constitution, sir, does not give you the right to an opinion. Basic humanity gives you the right to an opinion....the constitution is irrelevant in this regard. All you Americans are so fkn proud of your constitution. If it's so great, then why didn't the person who had the most votes win? Why are you so proud of your voting power when only half of you bother to vote? Many of you are "discouraged" from voting by the people in power. Lots of you are banned from voting.

Your president jokes about putting off the 2020 election. He praises Putin and Xi (who has made himself president for life). He's openly said it's a great idea. Trump is a threat to your beloved constitution, and he is a danger to your infant democracy (if it were fully formed, you'd all vote).

Good luck and God bless

 

[Fordever]

A perspective from one Canadian....

“According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the length of the International Boundary line of the U.S.-Canadian border, excluding Alaska, is approximately 3,987 miles, while the length of the U.S.-Mexican border is estimated at 1,933 miles. The length of the Alaska-Canada border alone is 1,538 miles.”

So the northern border is basically 3X the length.

And If you choose to believe.... fake news or not, I really dunno...just reading the article below..

https://globalnews.ca/news/4824976/us-mexico-border-terrorists-canada/

It appears there is a threat from the north as well....
So my questions are, when will there be a northern border? And what’s the cost? And will us Canadians pay for it?

Just sayin......

 

[HoosierDaddy]

So my questions are, when will there be a northern border? And what’s the cost? And will us Canadians pay for it?

The key to making the other country pay for a wall is to become a bigger threat to them than they are to you. The best defense is a good offense

Learned that from South Park.

 

[Fordever]

The key to making the other country pay for a wall is to become a bigger threat to them than they are to you. The best defense is a good offense

Learned that from South Park.

We aren’t a threat to anybody. Uh oh!! lol

 

[CAL Captain]

The

A perspective from one Canadian....

“According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the length of the International Boundary line of the U.S.-Canadian border, excluding Alaska, is approximately 3,987 miles, while the length of the U.S.-Mexican border is estimated at 1,933 miles. The length of the Alaska-Canada border alone is 1,538 miles.”

So the northern border is basically 3X the length.

And If you choose to believe.... fake news or not, I really dunno...just reading the article below..

https://globalnews.ca/news/4824976/us-mexico-border-terrorists-canada/

It appears there is a threat from the north as well....
So my questions are, when will there be a northern border? And what’s the cost? And will us Canadians pay for it?

Just sayin......

There are threats from everywhere. It’s far more accute on the southern border. A wall prevents hundreds of thousands of unskilled and illiterate people from becoming permanent wards of the state.

I really don’t know why this needs to be explained over and over.

Nobody in their right mind throws their front door wide open to whomever wants to move in especially with the knowledge they’ll be supporting the squatters and, likely, their extended family, forever.

This is not to mention the national security aspects of an open border.

It’s not lost on me that EVERY rich/powerful person who supports open borders lives behind walls/fencing and many of them are further protected by armed guards.

This used to be called “hypocrisy”.

 

[Fordever]

The

There are threats from everywhere. It’s far more accute on the southern border. A wall prevents hundreds of thousands of unskilled and illiterate people from becoming permanent wards of the state.

I really don’t know why this needs to be explained over and over.

Nobody in their right mind throws their front door wide open to whomever wants to move in especially with the knowledge they’ll be supporting the squatters and, likely, their extended family, forever.

This is not to mention the national security aspects of an open border.

It’s not lost on me that EVERY rich/powerful person who supports open borders lives behind walls/fencing and many of them are further protected by armed guards.

This used to be called “hypocrisy”.

It doesn’t need to be explained over and over. But if I am gonna build a fence around my home to keep things in or out, I would go the whole way around. If I don’t, I am wasting my money.

And you are totally correct in your front door analogy. Just make sure your back door is closed as well.

I honestly hope you get your wall if that’s what the American people really want.

I wouldn’t discourage anybody from trying to get what they really want.

Cheers Brother and good luck.

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