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The E85 tune stuff is great but I live almost a hour away from the closet station that has it.
Even a 93 tune wakes the car up a lot and gets rid of torque limiting in 1 and 2.
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You need to fit a few more question marks in there.
Reducing rotating mass and stiffing up the IRS isn't an option ?
Just throw more power at it and forget the rest is a fools errand.
He didnt ask what makes a car more responsive. Or handle better. He asked for more torque. And neither of those make torque.
 

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According to my talks with both Lund and PBD today, they don't net much more power from tuning on the 2018/2019 cars in a stock NA configuration. 2015-2017 different story.
They say the biggest gain on the 18/19 years will be from LT's and E85 + tune. That seems to be the trend from that graph LP just put up as well.

I have a 2019 PP2 car as well. I only have 250 miles on it now and I have hit 6.5K rpm here and there a few times. I can tell you that the power difference up there is way better than under 4K.
2500 RPM is like cruising speed in these things with a 6 speed and 3.73 gears.
I always planned doing FI but I mainly bought the PP2 because I want to open road race it first where it spends all it's time in the upper RPM anyway, no lack of power there.
 

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He didnt ask what makes a car more responsive. Or handle better. He asked for more torque. And neither of those make torque.
The Title and content of the OP’s opening post are a bit subjective.

Now about your use of question marks.
You should add a few more to really get your point across.

302@12psi, I stand by my first post. Make use of what you have.
 

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Seeing a few threads on here about the coyote not having enough low end what are people expecting here?

The 5.0l already makes a lot of torque for it's size so I'm not sure what people are expecting to happen here.

This is a light bolton ls3 which is a 6.2l
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This is a stock gen 3 coyote for the lower number
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This is a stock gen2 coyote
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The point here isn't any of the peak numbers look at all of them at 2-3k rpms the coyote only making 20ish tq less at 2k and and around the same tq at 3k as the 6.2l ls3. The coyote is about high end power but why are people expecting/wanting what 7.0l tq or something out of it? The coyote isn't a tq monster or anything but it's not like it's down 100tq down low vs other v8's.
 

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Seeing a few threads on here about the coyote not having enough low end what are people expecting here?

The 5.0l already makes a lot of torque for it's size so I'm not sure what people are expecting to happen here.

This is a light bolton ls3 which is a 6.2l
1417796457_e2056488e1_o.webp

This is a stock gen 3 coyote for the lower number
Dyno_CAI_5553220.webp


This is a stock gen2 coyote
VMP%20Tune%20&%20JLT%20CAI.webp


The point here isn't any of the peak numbers look at all of them at 2-3k rpms the coyote only making 20ish tq less at 2k and and around the same tq at 3k as the 6.2l ls3. The coyote is about high end power but why are people expecting/wanting what 7.0l tq or something out of it? The coyote isn't a tq monster or anything but it's not like it's down 100tq down low vs other v8's.
The dyno numbers may not reflect the actual driving experience though.
Ask anyone with a Roush blower and tune.
Can the car use the torque sources in the tune to pull the engine back when it’s on the dyno?
I’m thinking not but I could be wrong. Clearly the ECU can’t be reading front wheel speed for a start.
 

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Seeing a few threads on here about the coyote not having enough low end what are people expecting here?

The 5.0l already makes a lot of torque for it's size so I'm not sure what people are expecting to happen here.

This is a light bolton ls3 which is a 6.2l
1417796457_e2056488e1_o.webp

This is a stock gen 3 coyote for the lower number
Dyno_CAI_5553220.webp


This is a stock gen2 coyote
VMP%20Tune%20&%20JLT%20CAI.webp


The point here isn't any of the peak numbers look at all of them at 2-3k rpms the coyote only making 20ish tq less at 2k and and around the same tq at 3k as the 6.2l ls3. The coyote is about high end power but why are people expecting/wanting what 7.0l tq or something out of it? The coyote isn't a tq monster or anything but it's not like it's down 100tq down low vs other v8's.
Gearing is a big deal. The 18+ manual gearing stinks.

If you want it to feel more like a Chevy engine, buy the F150 manifold. Straight drop in, no tune required. It'll run out of steam at 6k, but so does the LS3.
 
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I didn't forget my password, the car doesn't need better tires it has SC2's, the car isn't running 87, but there are a lot better drivers out there then me.

I suppose a tune and intake are the best first step. The throttle response seems laggy and unless you rev this motor out it doesn't seem that fast. The closer you get to 4k RPM the better it goes however I haven't gone pass 4k due to break in.

Perhaps I should just wait for the 2019 Performance Packs.
Maybe you shouldn't have bought a "small displacement" DOHC engine.
 

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You know, this thread is interesting, because I found the same to be true.
I drive a tuned 2012 BMW 135i. A few weeks ago I test drove a lightly used '18 GT Premium with performance package, the mag suspension, and that sweet active valve exhaust. I like the car and the sound and visceral feel was glorious, but I found that for all the noise and supposed torque/HP numbers, it didn't pull any harder than my mildly tuned 135.
Now granted, the 135 has an N55 engine (inline 6) with a twin-scroll turbo and is known as a torque monster, and my tune is also a big torque booster (and my car only weighs 3300 lb, almost 500 lb less than the GT), but I expected more.
So much so that I didn't buy the GT.
 

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You know, this thread is interesting, because I found the same to be true.
I drive a tuned 2012 BMW 135i. A few weeks ago I test drove a lightly used '18 GT Premium with performance package, the mag suspension, and that sweet active valve exhaust. I like the car and the sound and visceral feel was glorious, but I found that for all the noise and supposed torque/HP numbers, it didn't pull any harder than my mildly tuned 135.
Now granted, the 135 has an N55 engine (inline 6) with a twin-scroll turbo and is known as a torque monster, and my tune is also a big torque booster (and my car only weighs 3300 lb, almost 500 lb less than the GT), but I expected more.
So much so that I didn't buy the GT.
The perception of speed in the S550 mustang is poor because of the refinement/isolation. There are hundreds/thousands of comments echoing this. I doubt that your 135 is objectively quicker. Once you start doing some light chassis/suspension mods and remove some of that isolation, it feels as fast as it is. My car legit scares me occasionally (in the best way, but still), and it's making just slightly more power than the '18 stock.
 

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The perception of speed in the S550 mustang is poor because of the refinement/isolation. There are hundreds/thousands of comments echoing this. I doubt that your 135 is objectively quicker. Once you start doing some light chassis/suspension mods and remove some of that isolation, it feels as fast as it is. My car legit scares me occasionally (in the best way, but still), and it's making just slightly more power than the '18 stock.
That is probably true. On paper the GT should be a few tenths faster 0-60 (I'm at mid 4's with about 340 rwtq in a 3300 lb car). I'll probably still get a GT, jst to have the V8 as a counterpoint to my turbo 6. The main reason I didn't get that one was I didn't love the color (Kona Blue). It was nice to look at for a little while, but not my style (I want grey or black).
 

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You know, this thread is interesting, because I found the same to be true.
I drive a tuned 2012 BMW 135i. A few weeks ago I test drove a lightly used '18 GT Premium with performance package, the mag suspension, and that sweet active valve exhaust. I like the car and the sound and visceral feel was glorious, but I found that for all the noise and supposed torque/HP numbers, it didn't pull any harder than my mildly tuned 135.
Now granted, the 135 has an N55 engine (inline 6) with a twin-scroll turbo and is known as a torque monster, and my tune is also a big torque booster (and my car only weighs 3300 lb, almost 500 lb less than the GT), but I expected more.
So much so that I didn't buy the GT.
I had the exact same experience except I'm coming from a tuned Audi TTS that had all kinds of roll on torque. I got the Ecoboost figuring a decent car with CPO vs the Audi that repair costs were way too scary. After a year I sold stuff off and decided I'll put out the extra 10000 and get a GT. Yeah, I was hoping for much more low end pull. I also ended up not buying one yet because of this. I then drove a stock 05 GT and was SO disappointed with its power. Then a couple months later I saw a Bolt on Tuned 05 GT and figured what the heck. It was tuned by Lito and I was shocked at how much better pull it had over the stock one.

So my hope is to get a 15 or 16 GT in a couple years when the price drops a bit and daughter thru college and tune it up. I hope and figure a tune and a few bolt ons will give me the pull I'm looking for. At this point I can't bring myself to throw the warranty out the window. My Boss was planning on a Hellcat, Corvette, GT PP2. Test drove all. Hellcat way too much to drive aggressively. He thought he was going to like the GT the most. He was so disappointed with the torque he asked if it was a joke to the salesman and asked if still in some kind of delivery mode. He then for the heck of it drove a M235I and loved the turbo power. He was sold. I drove it and it really does run strong.

I wish I could get a ride in a tuned GT though. I don't know anybody with a coyote GT. I do miss having a car that screams but really need the low end pull for everyday driving. The F150 intake might be what I would be looking for. I don't need 7200 RPM. With how much stronger my 05 runs with a tune I hope the same is true for the coyote.
 

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I had the exact same experience except I'm coming from a tuned Audi TTS that had all kinds of roll on torque. I got the Ecoboost figuring a decent car with CPO vs the Audi that repair costs were way too scary. After a year I sold stuff off and decided I'll put out the extra 10000 and get a GT. Yeah, I was hoping for much more low end pull. I also ended up not buying one yet because of this. I then drove a stock 05 GT and was SO disappointed with its power. Then a couple months later I saw a Bolt on Tuned 05 GT and figured what the heck. It was tuned by Lito and I was shocked at how much better pull it had over the stock one.

So my hope is to get a 15 or 16 GT in a couple years when the price drops a bit and daughter thru college and tune it up. I hope and figure a tune and a few bolt ons will give me the pull I'm looking for. At this point I can't bring myself to throw the warranty out the window. My Boss was planning on a Hellcat, Corvette, GT PP2. Test drove all. Hellcat way too much to drive aggressively. He thought he was going to like the GT the most. He was so disappointed with the torque he asked if it was a joke to the salesman and asked if still in some kind of delivery mode. He then for the heck of it drove a M235I and loved the turbo power. He was sold. I drove it and it really does run strong.

I wish I could get a ride in a tuned GT though. I don't know anybody with a coyote GT. I do miss having a car that screams but really need the low end pull for everyday driving. The F150 intake might be what I would be looking for. I don't need 7200 RPM. With how much stronger my 05 runs with a tune I hope the same is true for the coyote.
Again, the S550 deosnt make torque down low. It builds power. It’s a high revving motor. Down low - it feels sort of normal like most other cars, especially because it’s a heavy car too. Wrong car for you. Get the F150 intake that’s great - but you’re ruining what makes the car what it is IMO.
 

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Again, the S550 deosnt make torque down low. It builds power. It’s a high revving motor. Down low - it feels sort of normal like most other cars, especially because it’s a heavy car too. Wrong car for you. Get the F150 intake that’s great - but you’re ruining what makes the car what it is IMO.
Yeah I have come to realize this. Problem is no japan cars interest me at all. Not interested in the Audi stuff anymore. As much as the BMW really does everything very well especially in the mid level M series, I'm just not into the BMW 's for some reason. I wanted to get back to a good ol american car and my first car was an 82 Gt and finally in 15 they made a mustang that was very interesting to me again. Especially the handling, looks and interior and the performance numbers were incredible. So it really came down to the Mustang is really the only car I wanted at this point. Just coming from Turbo cars I'm a bit bummed to not have that pull that FI motors have now. I will admit it is great to scream it out which is something my last cars have not had its just not that feasible that much with traffic and such. I'm hoping one day to get a ride in a decent tuned one and see if that does it for me. Otherwise I will just sit with the ecoboost for a bit and see whats out there in a year or 2. The f150 intake and such to make torque but lose Top end certainly ruins the GT as a Race car but for me would possible make it a perfect street car where short shifting torque can be a lot of fun too. The car really can only see readline in 2 or 3 gears. The next 7 gears will always be in the lower to mid rpm's.
 

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Yeah I have come to realize this. Problem is no japan cars interest me at all. Not interested in the Audi stuff anymore. As much as the BMW really does everything very well especially in the mid level M series, I'm just not into the BMW 's for some reason. I wanted to get back to a good ol american car and my first car was an 82 Gt and finally in 15 they made a mustang that was very interesting to me again. Especially the handling, looks and interior and the performance numbers were incredible. So it really came down to the Mustang is really the only car I wanted at this point. Just coming from Turbo cars I'm a bit bummed to not have that pull that FI motors have now. I will admit it is great to scream it out which is something my last cars have not had its just not that feasible that much with traffic and such. I'm hoping one day to get a ride in a decent tuned one and see if that does it for me. Otherwise I will just sit with the ecoboost for a bit and see whats out there in a year or 2. The f150 intake and such to make torque but lose Top end certainly ruins the GT as a Race car but for me would possible make it a perfect street car where short shifting torque can be a lot of fun too. The car really can only see readline in 2 or 3 gears. The next 7 gears will always be in the lower to mid rpm's.
Which S550 have you driven? Auto or manual? I don’t take back anything I said, but a GOOD tune wakes it the hell up. I’ve gotten sideways stomping on it in 2nd gear at 2,000 RPM.
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