Juggernaut Tuning, Slow and Incompetent

[GregO]

This would have to be a very big leak as fuel trims were 60% off.

The loose headers mounting flanges more than likely. You remember the loose header bolts, that’ll throw off the wideband O2’s.

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[tdstuart]

The loose headers mounting flanges more than likely. You remember the loose header bolts, that’ll throw off the wideband O2’s.

I don’t remember having loose header bolts, wouldn’t explain how fuel trims were on point with stock cai but JLT was way off. Either the JLT was leaking or the tune was off. Dm me and we can talk more about it

 

[tdstuart]

After many tries JPT could not get my shift points anywhere near manageable. They kept saying nothing was wrong while I was getting ready to give up & started to think it might be my trans. Then they would send another tune & it would change. Finally I think they got tired of me & car ran like stock again. Like stock, as in no mods no e85. Felt very low on power but shifted a bit better. Finally seen Wengerd was accepting other tuning devices & I switched. Car ran fine from 1st file. Another member on here also hit me up letting me know it was the tune, that he went through the same ordeal. Should of gone Wengerd from the 1st tune. Saved $200 by going with JPT. Which turned into a loss of +$700

Another experience of terrible JPT transmission tuning and switching to Wengerd and it being great. Seems like they are throwing inexperienced Ford tuners on our cars.

I wish I would have made this thread and pressured Beefcake into a refund sooner, I have no chance now haha

 

[WildHorse]

wouldn’t explain how fuel trims were on point with stock cai but JLT was way off.

Because the JLT has very inconsistent MAF diameter, from one unit to the other , & that long sweeping elbow cause eddies on the inside turn which slows the flow down (after the MAF).

PMAS with the single 90° turn does a much better job of consistent air speed,
but also has compromises .

That's why the Stock 18+ air intake is very hard to beat.

 

[tdstuart]

Because the JLT has very inconsistent MAF diameter, & that long sweeping elbow cause eddies on the inside turn which slows the flow down (after the MAF).

PMAS with the single 90° turn does a much better job of consistent air speed,
but also has compromises .

That's why the Stock 18+ air intake is very hard to beat.

Stock 15 - Wengerd Good
JLT - Wengerd Not Good, Lund Good

DM me please, I hate ruining my threads

 

[Cordero1]

Another experience of terrible JPT transmission tuning and switching to Wengerd and it being great. Seems like they are throwing inexperienced Ford tuners on our cars.

I wish I would have made this thread and pressured Beefcake into a refund sooner, I have no chance now haha

I took it as the price of a lesson learned.

 

[GregO]

I wish I would have made this thread and pressured Beefcake into a refund sooner, I have no chance now haha

You already have multiple Juggernaut/Beefcake grievance threads & posts started.
What’s the point of this thread ?

 

[tdstuart]

You already have multiple Juggernaut/Beefcake grievance threads started. What’s the point of this thread ?

That’s news to me please link

 

[SolarFlare]

Sucks that parts sellers disagreements with Lund drove customers to subpar tuners that they probably still back to this day.... maybe why the super fast JP tuned car is for sale?

 

[HKusp]

I have the Arcane fuel system by Juggernaut. I had some self inflicted issues and some not self inflicted. When I reached out to them I NEVER got a response, and that is both by email on their "contact us" tab on their website and also by phone. The only time they communicated with me was after a poster here, who is friends with them, reached out and they got back to me once, out of probably 6-8 times trying to contact them. The Arcane fuel system is very nice, mostly because they use quality Radium components, but their customer service is absolutely horrible.

 

[SheepDog]

Not one complaint there I bet!

It's not about the number of complaints (although based on this forum, has far less than Lund these days), its about a tooners willingness to help someone work through issues, and level of communication, and professionalism.

Wengerd bends over backwards to try and help people here, responds in a timely manner to every email and forum tag, and the vast majority of the cars he tunes run great.

Generally, when something isn't working properly (JLT intake tune in this case) It's due to installer error, or misinformation from the customer.

So yeah, I will advocate for him, because he has helped me numerous times, made revisions at the drop of a hat, and my car runs fantastic. If I'm a fan boy, so be it.

 

[J17GT]

I have the Arcane fuel system by Juggernaut. I had some self inflicted issues and some not self inflicted. When I reached out to them I NEVER got a response, and that is both by email on their "contact us" tab on their website and also by phone. The only time they communicated with me was after a poster here, who is friends with them, reached out and they got back to me once, out of probably 6-8 times trying to contact them. The Arcane fuel system is very nice, mostly because they use quality Radium components, but their customer service is absolutely horrible.

Similar experience here. When I had two simple questions before buying the fuel system, they were answered later the same day. When I had one issue that wasn't straight forward, I received no response at all. The instructions drawn by a 4 year old with a crayon were also a bit annoying.

For anyone wanting a straight forward fuel system, I would recommend they only buy the wiring kit from Juggernaut as it was really nicely put together. Or if possible buy it direct from the company that makes it, I believe it's Jn2ning in Texas. Then buy the bucketed hat assembly direct from Radium, then piece together the rest (hose, fittings, pumps, injectors, rails if needed etc) from whatever supplier you like.

 

[robvas]

I think you could have seen this from the moment they made 'the switch'

 

[80FoxCoupe]

It's not about the number of complaints (although based on this forum, has far less than Lund these days), its about a tooners willingness to help someone work through issues, and level of communication, and professionalism.

Wengerd bends over backwards to try and help people here, responds in a timely manner to every email and forum tag, and the vast majority of the cars he tunes run great.

Generally, when something isn't working properly (JLT intake tune in this case) It's due to installer error, or misinformation from the customer.

So yeah, I will advocate for him, because he has helped me numerous times, made revisions at the drop of a hat, and my car runs fantastic. If I'm a fan boy, so be it.

There are advocates for every brand, so recommendations are taken with a grain of salt. OP is tuning himself now so doesn't have to rely on other as we do.

 

[SheepDog]

OP is tuning himself now

In for results on how this goes....

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