Cobb got nailed by the EPA

[markayash]

Range is a red herring. Range only matters because of how long it takes to recharge and to a lesser degree finding a charger.

There is approximately 0% of new car buyers who would refuse to buy an ICE that had a 300 mile range or would choose an ICE they didn't like as much to get some number over 300.

Since nobody knows when or if EV charging will become as quick or convenient, it's not anything to worry about for almost anybody. But if it happens, it will be sad for the tiny minority of us who will miss the sounds and exercising skills related to driving or working on ICE. Anything affordable just won't be built for the tiny volume that could be sold.

I am one who refuses to buy a EV because it won't go over 300 miles. I make a trip several times a year to the beach and its around 350 miles. Not uncommon for use to drive late at night, also not uncommon to drive in heavy rain..We also take our dogs.
LAST thing I want to do it stop 2/3rd's of my trip and sit at a " charging station" for an hour or more at 2am in a monsoon storm.
My ecoboost gets 29 to 30 MPG ( its not stock ) and often I don't need gas until 3 or 4 days later after arriving.. But EV is cheaper right?? NOPE I priced charging it on the tesla site and it was about the same as a tank of gas

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[shogun32]

Skynet will be the end of us

The People thinking this farce the bloviating tech fools keep calling AI Is in fact skynet or has any intelligence at all, will be the ruin of us all.

 

[lo-fi]

The People thinking this farce the bloviating tech fools keep calling AI Is in fact skynet or has any intelligence at all, will be the ruin of us all.

What's your guess on the arrival of AGI? I don't see our current LLMs as a type of AI. I see LLMs as a better summarizers, which occasionally produce something novel. The problem is I don't know how they got the LLM to produce that novel thing. What model data was used and how much human interaction resulted in that novel things appearance. The devil is in the details. With that said I think we see a useful AGI within ten to fifteen years.

 

[MD18EcoStang]

I think what will drive people to use self-driving services in large numbers is the lack of human interaction required. Click a button and it arrives by the fastest route, gets you there by the fastest route, and then departs. No chit chat or awkward silence, no "alternative routes", no guess work, plus no possible creepy characters (huge factor for women). Now as more and more of these services come online traffic will start to ease, massively. No bad drivers to ruin your day (just a bot net crash lol). I really think that as this type of system is perfected the allure and positives, within a large city, will far far outweigh the negatives. Combine this with public transport likes busses and trains and our cities become much nicer places to be from a traffic perspective. Does anyone really think our traffic situation within our biggest cities is sustainable for another couple of decades? I don't. EVs ultimately win, just not right now, and I'm good with that.

But Luke and Han still drive their own vehicles!

 

[robvas]

Besides, you had better consider that China doesn't share your lack of vision. They will move forward with exactly what I'm describing whether we do or not.

Yea, let's follow China!

 

[robvas]

With that said I think we see a useful AGI within ten to fifteen years.

Not going to happen in our lifetimes.

 

[shogun32]

With that said I think we see a useful AGI within ten to fifteen years

Never happen. A fancy ass algorithm is still an algorithm. It can't formulate its own algorithm.

And just the same as green energy or ev, the resources needed to make it happen are impossible. Physics and economics can not be wished away.

 

[lo-fi]

Im only surprised by the usage of “never”, and with such confidence. However, everyone has their blind spots.

 

[shogun32]

only surprised by the usage of “never

Putting a viable human colony on Mars is a utterly trivial problem to solve compared to AGI.

 

[CrazyHippie]

Because that Off Road disclaimer of the past is in the ash heap. It doesn’t exist and has been amended. The alphabet soup agencies caught onto what the performance manufacturers and its customers were doing with those emissions defeating devices. Cobb decided to continue business as usual and the current laws of the land were broken.

It's one thing to sell a product that's branded for off -road use only. It's an entirely different issue when the vendor actively engages to install and fine-tune the off-road product on a vehicle that's registered for street use. Tuners do the install and fine-tune thing on loads of registered vehicles. That's where the legal problem lies.

 

[CrazyHippie]

Of course I know this, it is 100% wrong.

Auto performance is the only industry that has chosen to roll over.

Perhaps. But most businesses look at the cost of paying a fine against the cost of sueing the federal government and then likely losing the lawsuit. It's most always better to pay the fine

 

[K4fxd]

It's most always better to pay the fine

Not when the goal is a shake down. The EPA is no better than the street gang in a city charging protection money.

Then there is the principle. Ngauge flipped them the finger and closed up shop because no one would hang with them.

 

[lo-fi]

Putting a viable human colony on Mars is a utterly trivial problem to solve compared to AGI.

Even if I’m off on timeline, never is infinitely more incorrect.

 

[Buldawg76]

Just tie the cones to your truck, the cones are supposed to cause the self driving car to stop or move away.

I have no trust/faith in any self driving car to stop or move away every time since they are designed/built by humans that inherently make mistakes and always will since we are not perfect so therefore there will always be design flaws/mistakes that lead to crashes and collisions, even between 2 self driving cars. Man is not perfect hence anything he builds will never be perfect either.

I have seen plenty of our flaws in the 50 years as an auto tech in cars that we drive. I have fixed issues that even the factory field engineers you call for service issues had no clue in how to diagnosis or direct me in my repair attempts, some I figured out eventually and some never got fixed and were buy backs. I also had more than I can remember that I fixed and when I called the service tech line to close the case with field engineers and was told by them that what I did could not have fixed the issue with the car, yet the customers personally told me it was fixed and thanked me for taking the time and effort to fix their car.

Nothing humans make will ever be 100% perfect.

BD

 

[RocketGuy3]

My god, this board is such a terrifying reminder of how uninformed most of us Mustang/American muscle enthusiasts are. The ridiculously uninformed conspiracy theories people come up with...

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