New 2020 GT350 HEP engine failure

[RPDBlueMoon]

Sorry to hear about OPs car, and if my engine goes I'll let you guys know. That being said, I plan to keep the car so I lose a little less sleep. As long as Ford replaces the engine and warranties the new one, I am cool. I remember looking at Hellcats and a dealer had written in a Mopar lifetime warranty into the deal. I also received a 10 year or lifetime (supercharger)warranty on my CTS-V and ZL1 from GM. I dont remember the details as I did not keep either car over two years. I would love to see Ford put a lifetime or extended warranty on the VooDoo until they track down the problem, if there is a chronic issue. I will attempt to find the paperwork on what GM did for my supercharger on the LSA. At the end of the day, I just want to be able to enjoy my 350 and know if something happens (as it can with all things) Ford will try and do the right thing.

Damn, a lifetime warranty would be amazing on any performance car. The GT350 was my first sports car and I am now realizing the importance of extended/long lasting powertrain warranties. I know that some dealers offer third party warranties, there are people that claim some Ford dealerships offer a lifetime warranty, but I don't know if they ever had any GT350s. When I was looking to get a GT350 I couldn't find any in the inventory.

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[Jago768]

Damn, a lifetime warranty would be amazing on any performance car. The GT350 was my first sports car and I am now realizing the importance of extended/long lasting powertrain warranties. I know that some dealers offer third party warranties, there are people that claim some Ford dealerships offer a lifetime warranty, but I don't know if they ever had any GT350s.

The extended warranty/lifetime warranty with GM was issued because of problems with the LSAs supercharger. I never had an issues with my LSAs, but my cars were included in the warranty program. The Mopar Lifetime warranty was offered and added (extra cost) to my purchase price for the HellCat. I ended up canceling my check and not taking delivery for said Hellcat. Later I brought up the Lifetime warranty on the Hellcat forum. Some members swore Mopar never offered a Lifetime warranty on any SRT product. I know for sure it was written into my price and I worked directly with GM of the dealership.

 

[Caballus]

I my opinion, the reason Ford quit making the VooDoo is because it was expensive to make and the Coyote had many years to evolve as a fairly decent, cheaper, better known replacement. Note that the heads on the newer Coyotes flow really good. Had Ford put forged pistons in the coyote and a few other goodies, it could easily rev to 8,250 smoothly as many of us have had supercharged Coyotes do that an make 200-300 more HP fairly safely over the VooDoo.

Would seem that Ford quit making the Voodoo to start making the Predator.

 

[DrumReaper]

Yeah, well i bought 16 c8's this year. Every single one of them had engine failure and you just need to take my word for it. I will not be answering any questions regarding this.

Ummmmm................ since you won’t answer any questions, I’m just gonna leave this....

I wonder why you went back to the same decrepit well 6 more times.

 

[RPDBlueMoon]

Would seem that Ford quit making the Voodoo to start making the Predator.

I don't get it when people say that they stopped doing it because it was expensive. The Shelby engines aren't two completely different engines, they both share similar components. You can buy the FPC for ~$1,000

I don't buy it that they stopped making the Voodoo engine because it is "expensive" only for them to use the same block and components and throw a 2.7L supercharger on it. The predator engine is more expensive. The Aluminator which is basically the cross plane variant costs 20k and the long block for the predator is like 25k

 

[Caballus]

I don't get it when people say that they stopped doing it because it was expensive. The Shelby engines are two completely different engines, they both share similar components. You can buy the FPC for ~$1,000

I don't buy it that they stopped making the Voodoo engine because it is "expensive" only for them to use the same block and components and throw a 2.7L supercharger on it. The predator engine is more expensive. The Aluminator which is basically the cross plane variant costs 20k and the long block for the predator is like 25k

Opinion:
Think Voodoo to Predator was simply a matter of evolution for the FP/Shelby marque. Don't think the 5.0 or 2.3 were a consideration.

 

[DrumReaper]

Opinion:
Think Voodoo to Predator was simply a matter of evolution for the FP/Shelby marque. Don't think the 5.0 or 2.3 were a consideration.

Agreed.

GT350 and GT500 on same lot is expensive.

Boosting a GT350 is not as reliable and is without the low end torque of a Predator.

Saves costs to put a S/C on a CPC 5.2.

What’s so hard to understand in the economics 101 there?

 

[GreenS550]

A supercharged 5.0 wouldn't be exotic enough even though many of us know a fully forged 5.0 can do 760hp/620tq at the crank easy.

 

[PA_R_DUDE]

I mean it's very likely they had planned all along to stop in 2020 given the historical significance of the 1965-1970 run of the original. The fact that Ford gave Jamal Hameedi the green light in the first place is kind of amazing in its own right.

 

[Spart]

The below are seven instances with similar failed engines symptoms for 2020 GT350 that I searched on this forum.
Say that these are not all reported, still I don't think there are "many" failures for this engine. Moreover, same people posting here also posting on FB which blow out this issue from proportion. That being said, I'll be very upset if my failed. Sorry OP for your trouble.

Update: one other instance, eight in total.

1. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/2020-shelby-gt350-engine-failure.133081/
2. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...-booboo-engine-replacement-experience.137204/
3. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/another-2020-gt350-engine-failure.137780/
4. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/my-2020-gt-350-engine-blew-today.138273/#post-2840377
5. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/new-2020-gt350-hep-engine-failure.152495/
6. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/2020-shelby-gt350-engine-replacement-dropped-valve.152472/
7. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/help-on-new-engine-or-buyback.149426/
8. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/well-that-didnt-last-long-2020-gt350r-dead.151244/

All of those (including mk1spyder's) occurred with under 2000 miles on the engine. That's what I'd call a crib death.

Failures for the Voodoo seem to follow a typical bathtub curve, where you're far more likely to have an engine fail with very low miles. I have only heard of a few engine failures with over 10,000 miles.

To anyone with a failed engine including OP, take heart in this. Go use that new engine a lot and put a lot of miles on it. Seems like you're out of the weeds once you clear the first few thousand miles.

It will probably be a while before we know at what mileage the right side (high mileage side) of the bathtub curve picks up at.

 

[Hack]

While it's true that lawyers get a lot of compensation, the stiffed consumers would lose more if no compensation or remedy is rendered to them. And the threat of legal consequences is what ultimately makes companies shape up and improve their quality. So consumers overall win at the end.

This is true. If a company knows that a mistake or oversight will cost them 10s of millions of dollars, they will work hard to avoid it.

Completely untrue. Social media is 100,000 x more powerful. I know for a fact that Ford motor company has people that view these Mustang six sites on a regular basis. Ford is not some entity it's made up of people. Just like you and me. They're not out to screw the consumer they're out to make a decent product that's exciting at a decent price that's fairly dependable. that hate the company mentality is something I just can't relate to.

Social media matters, but it's just silly to say "100,000x more powerful". Dollars are the bottom line. Ford doesn't worry much about a limited production car selling without an ADM or at a slight discount because people have heard bad things on social media.

However, a lawsuit can really hit Ford in the pocketbook, even when it's related to a low volume vehicle like the GT350.

Common sense tells me that priorities in this situation are going to align with cost to the company. My belief is that reputation on the highest volume vehicles is huge for Ford, but reputation is less important on the specialty vehicles. And it's also difficult to judge. With a vehicle like the GT350 you have tons of really positive reviews out there counter-acting any negative social media buzz. So the impact of social media is limited. Most people pay more attention to expert opinions and reviews over the words of anonymous people on the internet.

 

[GreenS550]

One of the reasons I prefer a used car with several thousand miles on it and a Carfax. The worst Mustang buying experience I've had was ordering the 1982 Mustang GT. All kinds of issues from paint to electrical to the door handles. All from the get go.

 

[hws52]

My question is to all those suggesting to try to buy the original block back. The one item I disagree with is that whether you have the original block or not the value of the vehicle is what's in it. When selling it having the original block will help but the resale value will still be less due to numbers not matching in the vehicle.

 

[Caballus]

My question is to all those suggesting to try to buy the original block back. The one item I disagree with is that whether you have the original block or not the value of the vehicle is what's in it. When selling it having the original block will help but the resale value will still be less due to numbers not matching in the vehicle.

If you have the original block you can rebuild and numbers will match, no?

 

[Michael_vroomvroom]

My Son is an engine engineer at Cummins. He said he doesn't care about the thing living longer than the warranty period. If it lasts 30 years or 30 days longer than warranty he did his job.

Sounds like Ford's engineers did not do their job.

Your son has a terrible attitude and is in my opinion, not that you'd care, a disgrace to the engineering profession.

I'm happy that at any competent place I've ever worked, somebody with that attitude would be shown the door. Unfortunately I've also had to spend some time at a places where fellow engineers had that attitude, and those places suck. Their product, the quality, the don't-give-a-fuck-as-long-as-it-seems-to-work-and-passes-the-tests attitude, it all sucks. And most of all, their engineers suck. More stupid, more ego, less competence, no pride. Good riddance.

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