Updated pistons and ring packs for MY18+

[honeybadger]

Don't we have an idle limiter on this car as well? It shuts down after a certain amount of time at idle, or so I thought.

30 mins from my experience this weekend

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[galaxy]

I think this thread's gotten a bit off track. Piston slap is not a defect, it's a characteristic. People don't like the noise - mine has it and I don't - but the engine is working fine.

It didn't really bother me too much to do anything about it anyways, but I really put the topic to bed and quit worrying about it when I went to TrackAttack and the two cars I had at school both had the exact same sound as mine....and look at the life that thing lives with no issues.

 

[Tank]

they don't want to wind up with another class action lawsuit on thier ass.

Fixed it for you....

 

[rb92gt]

Any '18s with blown motors or burning oil? If so then it doesn't matter what changes were made.

 

[Epiphany]

And you don't think there is any issue with this voodoo engine? I think that Ford is replacing these engines so freely because they don't want to wind up with a class action lawsuit on thier ass.

Any issue? If I had my druthers and was in a position to have done things differently I certainly might have. But at the end of the day this is a production vehicle that has to meet and or exceed some pretty high standards from durability to emissions at reasonable cost. You want to rev a V8 earmarked for a production vehicle from Ford to 8k+? Given the constraints I mentioned above I'd think it safe to say that it probably won't come sans any temperament, however minor.

We all know that this engine brings with it some interesting harmonics that you aren't likely to see with other similar displacement engines on the market and as a result it is far from perfect. I'm not trying to downplay any oil control issues that some may have seen - far from it. Stay on top of any consumption anomaly and report it to Ford just as you should with any other major issue. In the meantime all you can do is enjoy the car the way it was meant to be and to service it with care. But to imply that the engine is somehow defective and that Ford is aware but seemingly not admitting to it...I find that a bit of a stretch. When Ford bombs they go all in. Just ask them about the 6.0L diesel fiasco they went through. They do not want to go through a mess like that again.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...ss-action-over-navistar-diesels#axzz2ieflImzt

 

[Tomster]

Any issue? If I had my druthers and was in a position to have done things differently I certainly might have. But at the end of the day this is a production vehicle that has to meet and or exceed some pretty high standards from durability to emissions at reasonable cost. You want to rev a V8 earmarked for a production vehicle from Ford to 8k+? Given the constraints I mentioned above I'd think it safe to say that it probably won't come sans any temperament, however minor.

We all know that this engine brings with it some interesting harmonics that you aren't likely to see with other similar displacement engines on the market and as a result it is far from perfect. I'm not trying to downplay any oil control issues that some may have seen - far from it. Stay on top of any consumption anomaly and report it to Ford just as you should with any other major issue. In the meantime all you can do is enjoy the car the way it was meant to be and to service it with care. But to imply that the engine is somehow defective and that Ford is aware but seemingly not admitting to it...I find that a bit of a stretch. When Ford bombs they go all in. Just ask them about the 6.0L diesel fiasco they went through. They do not want to go through a mess like that again.
http://www.autonews.com/article/201...ss-action-over-navistar-diesels#axzz2ieflImzt

So report the issues to Ford and for the troubles they will replace the entire engine (which has caused many people additional heartache)? Oh and if you ask real nice, they might throw in an extended warranty for your now diminished value car that you took out a sizable loan to procure. You are a piece of work man.

Nowhere did I say defective. If the engine was 100% defective, this would be a totally different story. But instead, the issues that are plaguing this engine just seem to effect just enough people that Ford decides to swap out engines instead of dealing with the various flaws.

Issues...... defect..... I guess the only thing that separates the two are a lawsuit and/or facts coming to light. Oh, yea, the last production year of the GT 350 and Ford gets into an engine redesign. Makes lots of sense.

Enjoy your thanksgiving.

 

[Bcobb85]

Any '18s with blown motors or burning oil? If so then it doesn't matter what changes were made.

Yes. There were 3 or so who reported engine failure on the 350 owners Facebook page. All of them were Leadfoot Gray, lol. Though from the OP's wording it sounds like they made the alleged change midway through the 18 model year. My 17 runs great so far (13k miles) and consistently burns about 1qt every 2k miles...I'm not sweating this. As JAJ said above, for all we know this change could have just as easily been made purely from a cost savings standpoint.

 

[tlisotta]

Agree that Ford doesn’t want a recall and is replacing engines no questions asked. I have read and suspect there have been plenty of engines nuke that did not show signs of oil consumption. Mine showed no signs, I had the oil changed every 4 track days, checked the oil on the day of tracking and the rod shot through the oil pan on the track at 2,600 miles. Is this an assembly defect or a design defect? We will never know. Fortunately my dealer I go to for service is awesome. It was the tech’s 3 rd engine to replace at that dealer this past July and he did a great job. I love the car as it is only a track car for me. However on the back of my mind is the worry number 2 blows. I hope there was a fix and it is in the engine I have now. Frustrating we wil never know.

 

[nastang87xx]

But instead, the issues that are plaguing this engine just seem to effect just enough people that Ford decides to swap out engines instead of dealing with the various flaws.

I talked to one of my local dealerships I do service with and they've replaced two engines. They said Ford Performance wanted those engines back for research and said just replace it with a whole new long block because the engineers wanted to see every piece of the engine. It was a no questions asked proposition. Basically the process went "there's this so and so issue? Replace it and we want the flawed engine back in Dearborn NOW."

 

[Epiphany]

You are a piece of work man.

And you're a real gem? Is that how you'd like the tone of discourse to be?

Nowhere did I say defective. If the engine was 100% defective, this would be a totally different story.

And nowhere did I say you said that. I wrote...

...to imply that the engine is somehow defective and that Ford is aware but seemingly not admitting to it...I find that a bit of a stretch. When Ford bombs they go all in. Just ask them about the 6.0L diesel fiasco they went through. They do not want to go through a mess like that again.

Not sure where you got "100% defective" either. Has anyone here made that assertion other than you in the form of a declaration?

But instead, the issues that are plaguing this engine just seem to effect just enough people that Ford decides to swap out engines instead of dealing with the various flaws.

Ford hasn't changed their warranty and servicing policies exclusively for this engine. The standards they use are the same ones that have been in place for some time.

Issues...... defect..... I guess the only thing that separates the two are a lawsuit and/or facts coming to light. Oh, yea, the last production year of the GT 350 and Ford gets into an engine redesign. Makes lots of sense.

As I alluded to earlier, every manufacturer throughout time has made running changes. Those changes are usually considered an improvement. This is why some models of a given model are preferential over others. If you'd like to lay out each one and discuss the merits therein we'd probably have a far more constructive discussion. I have to ask though...at what point does changing parts of an assembly constitute an "engine redesign" versus something being updated?

Enjoy your thanksgiving.

Uh...no Merry Christmas too?

 

[Tomster]

Says the guy who bailed out of his GT350 a long time ago, for what reason? A 500 you say? Man that was a long time ago. Maybe soon enough.

I don't care to get into a multi page argument with you like I've seen lately over in the 500 section.

So merry Christmas too if that makes you feel better.

 

[Epiphany]

Says the guy who bailed out of his GT350 a long time ago, for what reason? A 500 you say? Man that was a long time ago. Maybe soon enough.

Your tone - wow.

I sold my GT350 a year ago. I posted it for sale in a thread here.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/fs-2016-race-red-track-pack-gt350.94386/

I really enjoyed the car and had a great time upgrading it. The reason I sold the car was to put myself in the best position possible for a GT500. I don't need multiple Mustangs (I admittedly am doing a custom Fox body build while I wait). I've done that for years and am trying to dial it back for personal reasons. I need a GT500 in order to develop new hardware for it and sold my GT350 to a dealer in the midwest that offered me his first GT500 allocation. I've worked with those in industry that continue to offer aftermarket solutions that allow GT350 owners choices that weren't previously available. So I in no way have abandoned the platform. As to your "soon enough" comment, my apologies, I'm not sure what you are getting at.

I don't care to get into a multi page argument with you like I've seen lately over in the 500 section.

The way you respond sure looks like you do. Again, it might better serve this thread and the community at large to discuss the parts/assembly that you've commented on instead of all inclusive generalities. Technical discussions don't need to be ripe with emotional commentary and I'd be happy to delve deeper into the matter.

So merry Christmas too if that makes you feel better.

Nice of you to interject the holidays into the discussion. It'd be even nicer if you gave the impression that it was genuine.

 

[Stang78]

Mine has 23k HARD miles on it. Yep you read that right. 23k miles. I bought it used. It ticks it’s ass off. It currently has a Stage 2 Whipple and the tick is much quieter now. At first I thought the tick went away, but it’s still there. It’s just not as loud.

With all that being said, it’s making 750 to the wheels now and I still send it with the tick. Still running 5w20 oil with no issues. Although I will be changing to 50w. If it was something serious I would hope it would of grenaded by now. Just wanted to throw this out there for what it’s worth.

 

[Strokerswild]

Mine has 23k miles on it. Yep you read that right. 23k miles. I bought it used. It ticks it’s ass off. It currently has a Stage 2 Whipple and the tick is much quieter now. At first I thought the tick went away, but it’s still there. It’s just not as loud.

All that being said, it’s making 750 to the wheels now and I still send it with the tick. Still running 5w20 oil with no issues. Although I will be changing to 50w. If it was something serious I would hope it would of grenades by now. Just wanted to throw this there for what it’s worth.

GT though, a slightly different ball of wax....

 

[Stang78]

Whoops. Yep you are right lol. I should post this somewhere else. Well maybe someone with a GT researching this will be led to this thread.

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