The big Intercooler thread.

[MAPerformance]

Wow, that's a lot of snark.

Absolutely none intended. The reality is that the graph was generated by Adam and I have to admit, the represented data can be interpreted as confusing. I actually proposed removing it from the listing on the premise that the ambient air temperature is not actual... however, implying the data is intentionally meant to be misleading isn't actually accurate either. The reality is that, while his interpretation of the data flawed... the graph is still being represented as an actual result.

Looking at the listing, a listing I didn't actually make, I could see now, how that statement, again, a statement I didn't make could seem misleading...I can honestly say, as a car guy and working for and with fellow enthusiasts, we wouldn't knowingly participate in misleading anyone. When I read that graph, I take the base line ambient air temperature and assume that it is likely being read by ECU post intercooler... and the data represents the effect post intercooler after it works into the efficiency range. I think some tweaking of the listing might absolutely be in order to clear up the air, but again, I would personally argue that the graph, itself, is accurate once the ambient air temperature is put into context.

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[MAPerformance]

Damn guys, cmon... grab a beer and simmer. One bad line shouldn't be enough to burn ya'll on each other like this. We're all humans on the ends of these screens and shit happens sometimes. :shrug:

Absolutely my thoughts as well. I think the listing was made in with good intentions in mind, but I will personally put in a recommendation for an adjustment on the wording in the hopes that it helps foster a more positive disposition on the advert.

 

[MAPerformance]

Wow, well played. I hate to burst your bubble but when you make statements like: "our intercooler is so efficient that the temps actually DROPPED" I see nothing confusing. You intentionally implied that the data showed that your magic radiator could cool hot air to temperatures below ambient air using ambient air. Not trying to bash but that's obviously marketing aimed at being misleading.

I'm actually attempting to validate your interpretation of the listing... truth be told but I am also trying to explain how two different people read this differently. As far as I can determine... the offending line seems to be: "You can see that our intercooler is so efficient that the temps actually DROPPED after starting the pull"... but you are also, and feel free to correct me if I am misunderstanding, correlating that baseline yellow bar from the graph labelled "ambient air temperature" and mixing that in with the line.

What I am attempting to convey to you is the concept that by no means do I believe that our intercooler is so efficient that it could cool air under the hood of a running, turbocharged car so well that it will actually cool the air to below the temps outside the engine in the free air environment. This wouldn't even be possible and I wouldn't advocate that statement being disseminated to anyone... and I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to believe it was plausible.

The green line labeled "ambient air temperature" really shouldn't even be on that graph. The only data that is necessary is the RPM and the charge air temp to actually show how the intercooler works, however the boost pressure line is helpful for someone to determine the delta. If I could go back and pull that line out of there, I certainly would, but there is actually no reference made to that line in the statement which is where I will concede victory to you for pointing out that it is possible to mesh the two pieces of data together and interpret misleading information...I am only trying to explain that none was actually intended.

From a corrective standpoint, what I intend to do is instruct our staff to adjust the wording... possibly delete that line altogether... what I would like to do is avoid having to actually alter the picture, tho... only because if I were to alter it with photoshop or otherwise, then it would absolutely not be transparent... That being said, I supposed I could ask someone to simply bot out the reference to ambient air temperature on the bottom line, as I do not believe that to actually be a real or intended value. I think it was an honest mistake as I can tell you... we would not propagate inaccurate or untruthful results to bolster sales... truth be told, if the intercooler didn't work, we would just go back to the drawing board and make another one until it did work.

 

[Keiferson22]

Cool, thanks!

 

[Whittey]

An anecdote from me:
With the stock IC I never saw intake temps less than 5 over the ambient temps even while cruising along at 70mph on the highway. After installing all the P1.5 intake bits (CAI, charge tubes and IC), cruising temps are 1 degree higher.

It seems to take longer to heat soak when idling and cool down faster too, but no real data recording. Just something I noticed.

 

[PRG3k]

Nine posts and bashing MAPerformance. Chill pill anyone?

A choice of intercooler really depends a LOT on climate. Here in Orlando, save for about 5 days, it has been in the mid 80's for the last two entire months. I currently have the MAP intercooler and its a great upgrade over stock. Cruising temps drop faster, heat soak takes longer, and ease of installation is glorious.

Unfortunately this is arguably the worst climate for a 4 cylinder motor pushing 20 psi. Most of the time I feel like the car is almost ALWAYS hamstrung by heat management and never running at its full potential. Occasionally I'll pull onto the highway in the middle of the night at 70 degrees and it'll be beautiful.

I may end up upgrading to one with a bigger core down the road but that is no fault of MAP, their unit is fantastic, not to mention beautifully machined and tooled. It goes for any stock location intercooler including Mishimoto.

But I feel that for Florida a heavy-duty more 'industrial' unit might be needed. This is hell for a turbo.

 

[neodark]

Nine posts and bashing MAPerformance. Chill pill anyone?

A choice of intercooler really depends a LOT on climate. Here in Orlando, save for about 5 days, it has been in the mid 80's for the last two entire months. I currently have the MAP intercooler and its a great upgrade over stock. Cruising temps drop faster, heat soak takes longer, and ease of installation is glorious.

Unfortunately this is arguably the worst climate for a 4 cylinder motor pushing 20 psi. Most of the time I feel like the car is almost ALWAYS hamstrung by heat management and never running at its full potential. Occasionally I'll pull onto the highway in the middle of the night at 70 degrees and it'll be beautiful.

I may end up upgrading to one with a bigger core down the road but that is no fault of MAP, their unit is fantastic, not to mention beautifully machined and tooled. It goes for any stock location intercooler including Mishimoto.

But I feel that for Florida a heavy-duty more 'industrial' unit might be needed. This is hell for a turbo.

Exactly, those track days specially I felt that my FFTech IC just wasn't cutting it in FL. I think I'm going to save up and get a better IC. It's the basis of maintaining power on these cars.

 

[m4udin]

Do you know if you can keep the grill shutters? I haven't seen any install instructions but Levels is where I'm most keenly looking. (also curious about potentially installing without bumper removal)

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Love my Levels FMIC! You'r going to have to pull the bumper off and remove the grill shutters for install though. I bought mine from VMP tuning and they were great with getting me instructions for install. They also had a coupon which got it for me cheaper than buying direct from Levels and I had it in 2 days with basic shipping since I live close to their warehouse. It's actually really simple to install just don't miss the 2 bolts by the clips for the bumper in the top part of the wheel well or prepare to buy a new bumper.

 

[Lsstefan]

http://www.wagner-tuning.uk/200001074.html

Does that carbon shroud replace that wiggly rubber thingy between grilles that broke in my car?

 

[hipporo]

I installed Mishimoto IC and tube kit yesterday. While I'm installing it, I stripped the thread of a bolt, which was on the passenger side of the IC. The Mishimoto's installation instruction (#11 and #26) indicates that it is a 10MM bolt. Does anyone know the exact size of it? I may need a "clip thing", which works like a nut, too. Does anyone know the name or part number?

Edit: I figured them out. The bolt was M6 1.0.

 

[marjen]

So is it pretty much between MAP and mishimoto if I want to not have to cut anything up and keep the active shutters? I assume they both perform about the same?

 

[therealdannye]

So is it pretty much between MAP and mishimoto if I want to not have to cut anything up and keep the active shutters? I assume they both perform about the same?

Levels doesn't require you to cut.

EDIT: I was wrong. You have to remove the grill shutters... but technically you don't have to "cut" them to do this.

 

[danzo]

Mishimoto intercooler - HP and lost boost

I bought and installed the Mishimoto intercooler about a week ago on my stock EcoBoost. I got in on the 40% off 24 hour sale. A K & N filter, the Mishimoto intercooler and a Mishimoto oil separator kit are the only non factory parts on the car at this point. So, I didn't expect any changes in operation of the engine given these mid-west winter days, but I do expect improvements when the weather warms up. The question I have regards the Mishimoto test data. It indicated that the Intercooler did keep charge air temps down during a dyno pull (-35 degrees). So why was there not even a smal HP gain over stock on the dyno pull after the Mishimoto intercooler was installed, especially at the end of the pull? Was it because there was a corresponding drop in boost due to the mild increase in resistance to flow through the Mishimoto intercooler VS stock intercooler? If this is so, can that mild loss of boost be gained back through installation of a better flowing exhaust and/or intake? Or, is it that only a tune can regain the lost boost and provide some mild increase in power?

 

[marjen]

So the levels is a bolt on? That thing is huge, don't you have to remove the shutters to use that?


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[therealdannye]

So the levels is a bolt on? That thing is huge, don't you have to remove the shutters to use that?

Nope. Direct fit. I emailed with them back and forth because I thought the same thing. Shoot them an email if you want double
confirmation, they're super nice guys.

EDIT: It is a direct factory fitment, but it requires removing the shutters. Cutting isn't necessary though.

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