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Did you guys ever wonder why the factory GT grill is so closed off from the factory? Wouldn't Ford make it more open if it would help cooling efficiency? I mean less plastic would save them some pennies, right?

Curious to hear from the engineers on the forum.
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Did you guys ever wonder why the factory GT grill is so closed off from the factory? Wouldn't Ford make it more open if it would help cooling efficiency? I mean less plastic would save them some pennies, right?

Curious to hear from the engineers on the forum.
It all depends on their goal, max cooling efficiency or max MPG, you can not have both as one is a compromise for the other. On the GT a smaller grill opening forces more air over and around the front of the car and less air through the car. Once you move the air around the car you can use it to help with the efficiency of the rest of the car moving through the air. I would have to guess that in today's world of eco this and eco that Fords focus is going to be on meeting a MPG level first then designs for proper cooling for track use.

The demands of track use can exceed the design goals of the production car, Ford does recommend supplemental coolers for those who plan to track their cars, and offers them as original equipment on their track model cars.

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Just not a major fan of that grill. But yes it has crossed my mind a few times
Not really apples to apples since I do not have an AC condenser in front of my radiator, but I did a track day Wed and it was 97*f in the shade. It was the hottest I have every been on track.

I data-logged all 4 sessions and at the 20 min mark of the 4th session during the next lap the max coolant temp was 211*f and within that lap would very from 196* to 205* depending on RPM. The 211*f was at the end of the straight after being at full throttle in 3rd gear through 4th gear to 7000 rpm and pulling 5th gear to 6200 before getting on the brakes.

Once the vented hood is in place the peak coolant temp and average temp should fall about 4-5 degrees. I have not installed the 170* T-Stat yet, and am still using the stock oil cooler. I am at a 80/20 water to coolant ratio as well. The OEM rad without any heat loads or restrictions in front of it seems to be up to the task of cooling the car. Had the ambient temp been 15* cooler I am sure the peak temps would have stayed very near or under 200*.

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Are you logging ECT or CHT temp Dave?
Both, but since the fan logic and most of the fuel and ignition trims key off of ECT those are the numbers to watch to see trends, CHT is always higher than ECT when running hard but also fluctuates more and recovers faster than ECT. ECT and OCT are actually derived from the CHT as there is no ECT temp sensor or Oil temp sensor in the car.

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Tracking all and I believe we've discussed that in this thread as well. Just curious what you were refencing since I see about a 10 degree temp differential between CHT and ECT while on track. When I ran at Road Atlanta last month with temps in the mid 90's, I was happy with the cooling system after changing to the 170 degree, water (probably 80% as well since you can't get it all out from draining the radiator), and a bottle of water wetter. I didn't see ECT temps much over 210. Was going to head to RPM today to check some more stuff out, but I've been working on dialing in the tune on the car after a few mods and flex fuel. Plus, like you said, it's hot out! :)
 

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I didn't see ECT temps much over 210. Was going to head to RPM today to check some more stuff out, but I've been working on dialing in the tune on the car after a few mods and flex fuel. Plus, like you said, it's hot out! :)
If you see ECT in the 210* range CHT will be in the 220-230 range as peak values, the ECT starts to influence the ECU in a negative way at 200* it will potentially reduce peak timing by .104* for every degree of coolant temp above 200*f, IATs are important to watch as well as they start to influence timing at the 100*f point and are more aggressive than ECT on timing trims.

I am targeting 185-195 ECT range to stay in, I think with the 170 T-Stat I will be there and with the vented hood I will be on the low side of my target range. Those values should leave plenty of head room in case I decide to bump the rev limit up a bit and it looks like if ECT is held in that range the oil temps will remain manageable without the need for an additional cooling system as long as you are doing short sessions.

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If you see ECT in the 210* range CHT will be in the 220-230 range as peak values
:lol: which is literally what I said in my last post.

I hit 219 CHT(210 ECT) after a 30 minute session at the track day the day before the NASA event. For the NASA TT sessions, I was around 195-200 ECT depending on the time of day. I'm perfectly happy with that. I don't ever plan to make a car this heavy into anything more than a time trial/sprint race car. I've really enjoyed tracking it so far. I still have an enduro car though if I ever need to scratch that itch. Not really my thing though :)

the ECT starts to influence the ECU in a negative way at 200* it will potentially reduce peak timing by .104* for every degree of coolant temp above 200*f, IATs are important to watch as well as they start to influence timing at the 100*f point and are more aggressive than ECT on timing trims.
Yeah, I never really feel the timing being pulled from ECT increase. It's pretty obvious for anyone to tell timing being pulled when IAT's go up though. I've heard alot of ppl comment on it after their mustangs heat soak sitting in traffic.
 

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Gained 10 lbs with this mod. Electric hook up and oil change next weekend. might tuft test again this afternoon.
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