Making a mach1 a HP mach1

[Mach 307]

This is interesting.
For a 2023 Mustang, only STE-806 is applicable—STE-836 does not extend into 2023. Probably Covid part shortages.

This is where I originally found the discrepancy on the official Ford Parts website. Ran my 2023 Vin and a 2023 HP Vin. Cars are identical otherwise.

My vin:

HP VIN:

If you attempt to look up the opposing part number under its opposing vin, it “does not fit”. I although did find it weird STE836 lists both wheel sizes. Though STE806 does not, and only lists non-HP size. In Levittown’s database it shows only the individual wheel sizes. In our GT500 friends example, apparently that causes issues if you use the wrong one.

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[Mach 307]

2021 with HP Vin:

 

[NightmareMoon]

For me I suppose it’s not so much if it’ll explode or not, rather why should I chase a package I can never truly replicate down to the electronics and everything else. If it had just been the hardware as originally thought for a long time it seems, sure I’d go down the path, but for me it’s easier just to enjoy the car as is than halfway replicate the package if that makes sense. Not knocking anybody who has or will, but that’s my personal opinion for my car and situation. Trust me when I say I’m a bit disappointed to find it out.

98% replicated without the EPAS rounds up to 100% in nearly everyone’s book. Why did you consider it at all then if getting 99% of the results isnt good enough? I dont get why the disapointment on the last 1% if you were excited at all about doing it in the first place.

Anyway as far as the gauges go, they’re usually plug and play as long as the car has the sensors, IIRC.

Anyway, I wouldnt replciate it on my car, but I would consider upgrading springs, sways, and tires with aftermarket parts for their own sake, not for the sake of being close to the hp spec.

 

[Mach 307]

98% replicated without the EPAS rounds up to 100% in nearly everyone’s book. Why did you consider it at all then if getting 99% of the results isnt good enough? I dont get why the disapointment on the last 1% if you were excited at all about doing it in the first place.

Anyway as far as the gauges go, they’re usually plug and play as long as the car has the sensors, IIRC.

Anyway, I wouldnt replciate it on my car, but I would consider upgrading springs, sways, and tires with aftermarket parts for their own sake, not for the sake of being close to the hp spec.

I totally get what you’re saying, 98% of the hardware swap is more than enough for most people, and I don’t doubt the car would feel amazing with just the bolt ons (though to me it already does feel amazing as is). For me though, it’s more about the principle of completeness. If I’m chasing the Handling Pack, I want to know I’ve actually replicated the exact spec not just come close. That last 1–2% is the difference between saying my Mach 1 has similar parts and saying it’s a true HP setup. It’s not really about lap times or feeling it on the street, it’s more about knowing I got the whole package correct if going down a road like that. I know plenty of guys wouldn’t care, and that’s totally valid, but personally if I can’t replicate all of it, including the EPAS/software side, then I’d rather just enjoy my Mach 1 for what it is instead of chasing something I can’t fully get to. That’s just how I think is in absolutes, all or nothings.

 

[BlkMach10510]

Like I posted before just upgrade your Mach 1 to what you want, it is easy to surpass the Mach 1 with hp with parts and programming. This way you know everything fits and works together plus you can upgrade it to the level you want and not be locked into a package from ford.

 

[IPOGT]

It does make sense that the steering assistance levels would need to be higher with the HP Tires. More resistance needs more assistance for a given target default steering feel, especially with those big ol’ honkers.

 

[IPOGT]

I totally get what you’re saying, 98% of the hardware swap is more than enough for most people, and I don’t doubt the car would feel amazing with just the bolt ons (though to me it already does feel amazing as is). For me though, it’s more about the principle of completeness. If I’m chasing the Handling Pack, I want to know I’ve actually replicated the exact spec not just come close. That last 1–2% is the difference between saying my Mach 1 has similar parts and saying it’s a true HP setup. It’s not really about lap times or feeling it on the street, it’s more about knowing I got the whole package correct if going down a road like that. I know plenty of guys wouldn’t care, and that’s totally valid, but personally if I can’t replicate all of it, including the EPAS/software side, then I’d rather just enjoy my Mach 1 for what it is instead of chasing something I can’t fully get to. That’s just how I think is in absolutes, all or nothings.

Take my advice…living with absolutes needed is a tough path to follow. Just in general. How tough it can be? Let me just say it makes you too susceptible to things you can’t control.….trust me.

 

[Mach 307]

Take my advice…living with absolutes needed is a tough path to follow. Just in general. How tough it can be? Let me just say it makes you too susceptible to things you can’t control.….trust me.

You are absolutely right, no pun intended. I guess that’s why I’m almost looking at it as this is a good lesson for me to enjoy what I have instead of chasing the next thing.

 

[Rhyanski]

So if the car doesn’t originally come with the gauges which it sounds like it does not, it’s a bit more invasive than just swapping the dash pieces. I could find a thread on how to do it though if you’re willing to go down the road.

Yes, I know, I already saw what it takes. The only thing that I really need to do before committing to the whole change is to check if the cable on the back of the entertainment is installed in the EU versions. If the cable's missing it is a No-Go for me... The rest doesn't bother me that much, apart from I don't want to swap the entire dash trim, I just want the center piece and retain stock looks.

 

[Mach 307]

Yes, I know, I already saw what it takes. The only thing that I really need to do before committing to the whole change is to check if the cable on the back of the entertainment is installed in the EU versions. If the cable's missing it is a No-Go for me... The rest doesn't bother me that much, apart from I don't want to swap the entire dash trim, I just want the center piece and retain stock looks.

Sounds good my man, I’ll grab those PN’s for you in a bit here after the gym.

 

[IPOGT]

Search result-

• Same Hardware, Different Calibration
  The rack hardware between a standard Mach 1 and Mach 1 HP is identical. The difference in steering feel comes from a different As-Built calibration loaded at the factory (resulting in different part # reflecting calibration required for optimal use.
  
  
  
• With Forscan, You Can Read & Reflash
  • Use Forscan to pull the current As-Built data from your PSCM before making any changes.
  • Then, obtain the HP calibration string and overwrite your rack’s data—restoring or upgrading to that spec.

Not a statement of fact, just a search result.

 

[Mach 307]

Search result-

• Same Hardware, Different Calibration
  The rack hardware between a standard Mach 1 and Mach 1 HP is identical. The difference in steering feel comes from a different As-Built calibration loaded at the factory (resulting in different part # reflecting calibration required for optimal use.
  
  
  
• With Forscan, You Can Read & Reflash
  • Use Forscan to pull the current As-Built data from your PSCM before making any changes.
  • Then, obtain the HP calibration string and overwrite your rack’s data—restoring or upgrading to that spec.

I like where this is going… where’d you find that?

 

[IPOGT]

AI search…gotta keep up with you youngsters…We created the internet. We know things.

 

[Rhyanski]

AI search…gotta keep up with you youngsters…We created the internet. We know things.

Yeah, right, don't overtrust the AI - it is as smart as someone has trained it... And there are pretty non-mechanically adequate people who trained AI, so... Yeah, it may be true, but I would take whatever AI says with a grain of salt...

 

[IPOGT]

Yeah, right, don't overtrust the AI - it is as smart as someone has trained it... And there are pretty non-mechanically adequate people who trained AI, so... Yeah, it may be true, but I would take whatever AI says with a grain of salt...

Hence my disclaimer At the bottom. Not a statement of fact, simply a
search result. However, it would make complete sense that at least the USA mach 1 would have the same parts, and that Ford’s MBA’s were smart enough to know they can (if they are) make “different“ part #’s with software rather than stocking a zillion different racks.

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