Making a mach1 a HP mach1

[Mach 307]

I did even MORE digging and looked at the 2023 order book. If you look under Mach 1, the keyword here is STANDARD equipment. It specifically mentions “Unique EPAS, ABS, and Stability Control Tuning” as well as “Unique Chassis Tuning” and “Upsized Rear Sway Bar”. If you look at the Handling PACKAGE there is no mention of either UNIQUE OR REVISED EPAS ABS or Stability Control Tuning OR Upsized Rear Sway Bar. The sway bar on a non-HP car and HP car are the same size YET one is hollow and the other is solid, Ford is VERY specific in these order banks if you read between the lines. The Handling PACKAGE does mention “REVISED Chassis Tuning” which clearly refers to stiffer springs and the solid sway bar, because they are not UNIQUE they are REVISED parts. Again, you must read between the lines. Why would Ford also specifically mention the HP wheels and tires, adjustable strut top mounts, spoiler, front splitter, front wheel lip moldings, just to leave out that they gave the HP unique or revised EPAS, ABS, or Stability Control when they mention it specifically in the order banks in multiple instances when they do? That’s because they WOULD NOT if there was any difference they’d let you know. What confirms this is the following and I’ll take you from the top. If you look at the STANDARD equipment for a Ecoboost, it mentions the inclusion of “Electric Power-Assisted Steering (EPAS) with Selectable Effort” again Ford is VERY specific in these order banks. Under the GT STANDARD equipment there is no mention of UNIQUE OR REVISED chassis tuning OR EPAS, ABS, and Stability Control Tuning, but it does mention “Includes ALL Ecoboost Standard Equipment, Plus:”. Though, if you look at the GT Performance PACKAGE it specifically mentions “UNIQUE Chassis Tuning”, “UNIQUE EPAS, ABS and Stability Control Tuning” and “Upsized Rear Sway Bar”. This is because it’s not part of the STANDARD equipment it’s part of the Performance PACKAGE. If the Handling PACKAGE added different EPAS, ABS, and Stability Control Tuning, it would be listed under the package and labeled “UNIQUE EPAS, ABS and Stability Control Tuning” NOT under Mach 1 STANDARD equipment. If you go back to 2020 and look at the order banks for the PP1 and PP2, Ford specifically mentions for the PP1 “UNIQUE Stability Control, EPAS and ABS tuning” but was sure to include on the PP2 “UNIQUE Track Inspired Chassis, Stability Control, EPAS, and ABS Tuning” this is because they get different tuning than each. Again, I’m beating a dead horse, when they change something they let you know right in your face. I listed photos of everything I discussed below in order. Cheers.

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[Mach 307]

Just the cherry on top, why would Ford Performance link them together here too if they weren’t the same?

 

[BlkMach10510]

Just the cherry on top, why would Ford Performance link them together here too?

I guess to get an actual answer you would have to call or email Ford Performance and ask.

 

[Mach 307]

I guess to get an actual answer you would have to call or email Ford Performance and ask.

 

[Rhyanski]

@Adr2600 - hands down for the effort! So much digging done, RESPECT!!!

Just a friendly advice - documentation from Ford tends to have some errors and inconsistencies. It depends on the actual date of publishing of documents, because they often have the documents for the "release date" and then a couple of months later get the 1.1 revision fixing minor issues which have been copy/pasted from older documents.
Still what you comment above seems very much plausible, I must admit. Moreover,Steeda are offering their own magneride processor once you upgrade your suspension with all the steeda goodies, so I guess they wouldn't toy around re-programming the ford unit, instead offer their own. So, my best guess is - ford won't toy around with it as well - they slap the same thing on all track/ performance pack cars and call it a day.
Each difference brings more expenses and potentially problems in the long term, so keeping it as similar as possible is key

 

[Mach 307]

@Adr2600 - hands down for the effort! So much digging done, RESPECT!!!

Just a friendly advice - documentation from Ford tends to have some errors and inconsistencies. It depends on the actual date of publishing of documents, because they often have the documents for the "release date" and then a couple of months later get the 1.1 revision fixing minor issues which have been copy/pasted from older documents.
Still what you comment above seems very much plausible, I must admit. Moreover,Steeda are offering their own magneride processor once you upgrade your suspension with all the steeda goodies, so I guess they wouldn't toy around re-programming the ford unit, instead offer their own. So, my best guess is - ford won't toy around with it as well - they slap the same thing on all track/ performance pack cars and call it a day.
Each difference brings more expenses and potentially problems in the long term, so keeping it as similar as possible is key

Thank you sir it is my pleasure and helps me sleep at night to know the answers!! Haha and know I didn’t get jipped not grabbing a HP car …

I figured there may be inconsistencies but the wording remains consistent for the Performance Pack from at least (from what I’ve checked) 2020-2023 and remains consistent for the Mach 1 and Handling Pack option from 2021-2023! I checked several ordering documents to make sure, and all the ones that contain the Mach 1.

Here’s another thing, the GT350 is package 900a, the GT350R is package 920a. The 350R has different dampers, springs, sway bars, etc. and uses the “unique” phrase not the “revised” which I believe aligns with the logic too! As different dampers are a unique suspension setup, not a revised suspension setup(springs, sway bar only).

I also agree with your Steeda logic!!

 

[young at heart]

seems like finding a good low mileage HP mach1 is a bit of a task. Anyone converted their non HP mach into a HP mach? Did it perform exactly the same?
From my understanding on previous threads this is all there is:

wheels/tires
Springs
Camber plates
Sway bars
Aero bits (bumper, wing, wheel guards)
Alignment

am i missing anything before i find a non Hp and turn it into one?

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Yes you are missing one very important thing. You can’t actually “turn it into one.”

You can change out every single part and calibration you want, and make it functionally identical but if the VIN and/or Ford’s records don’t identify the car as a HP car, it isn’t “one” and will never be one. It will always just be a modified non-HP car. This may be meaningless to you and I get that. But try explaining it to the used car appraiser at trade-in time and see how far you get. And no subsequent purchaser will be likely to see it otherwise. Again, perhaps you don’t care and that’s OK.

Im always surprised when people don’t realize this. Perhaps you do and just didn’t mention it.

 

[Mach 307]

Yes you are missing one very important thing. You can’t actually “turn it into one.”

You can change out every single part and calibration you want, and make it functionally identical but if the VIN and/or Ford’s records don’t identify the car as a HP car, it isn’t “one” and will never be one. It will always just be a modified non-HP car. This may be meaningless to you and I get that. But try explaining it to the used car appraiser at trade-in time and see how far you get. And no subsequent purchaser will be likely to see it otherwise. Again, perhaps you don’t care and that’s OK.

Im always surprised when people don’t realize this. Perhaps you do and just didn’t mention it.

Don’t think it’ll matter as much as some think versus a GT350/GT350R which is an equipment group not just a package.

Mach 1 HP:

Mach 1 Non HP:

NOTE: These vehicles are equipped exactly the same, same mileage, except the one vehicle has the HP and also Mach 1 appearance package which cost another $1,250 (FJG/orange). Yet we’re only looking at a $520 difference in value by carfax.

 

[BlkMach10510]

Don’t think it’ll matter as much as some think versus a GT350/GT350R which is an equipment group not just a package.

Mach 1 HP:

Mach 1 Non HP:

NOTE: These vehicles are equipped exactly the same, same mileage, except the one vehicle has the HP and also Mach 1 appearance package which cost another $1,250 (FJG/orange). Yet we’re only looking at a $520 difference in value by carfax.

They know what they have, lol.

 

[IPOGT]

It’s the same thing as adding Red Brembos or Recaro seats. Not a big deal. But it is an excellent add on if your’e hitting the track regularly.

 

[Rhyanski]

Yes you are missing one very important thing. You can’t actually “turn it into one.”

You can change out every single part and calibration you want, and make it functionally identical but if the VIN and/or Ford’s records don’t identify the car as a HP car, it isn’t “one” and will never be one. It will always just be a modified non-HP car. This may be meaningless to you and I get that. But try explaining it to the used car appraiser at trade-in time and see how far you get. And no subsequent purchaser will be likely to see it otherwise. Again, perhaps you don’t care and that’s OK.

Im always surprised when people don’t realize this. Perhaps you do and just didn’t mention it.

Yes, you are right, it won't be a registered HP car by VIN.

It is the reason WHY one goes that path, and your point of view touches only the potential resale value matched against authenticity. That point of view is a bit weird for me and I never understood it - keeping a track oriented, yet not 100% dedicated track car for the sake of value, does not make any sense for me.

My drive getting the car to HP state is the following: here in Europe we do not get the HP. Even the non-HP car is not the same as the US version. I believe the Mach 1 HP is the way this car should be equiped by default and I want to get my car to that state, or even beyond. I'm not planning on resale, I want to have it till I can ride a gas car and want to enjoy every mile of it. So for me it is a different personal, I would call it irrational drive to get the car to the HP state.

And yes, I know one can slap a ton of better performance parts, even certify it as 767 Steeda mach 1 in Europe, but then this is a completely different thing, which is not my drive...

 

[Rhyanski]

Yeah, ok... so it has been some time I've lost my sleep because of the stupid center dash gauges... Today in the morning I just jumped on e-bay and ordered the bloody thing, LOL. Now some more sleepless nights till it arrives...

 

[IPOGT]

Yes you are missing one very important thing. You can’t actually “turn it into one.”

You can change out every single part and calibration you want, and make it functionally identical but if the VIN and/or Ford’s records don’t identify the car as a HP car, it isn’t “one” and will never be one. It will always just be a modified non-HP car. This may be meaningless to you and I get that. But try explaining it to the used car appraiser at trade-in time and see how far you get. And no subsequent purchaser will be likely to see it otherwise. Again, perhaps you don’t care and that’s OK.

Im always surprised when people don’t realize this. Perhaps you do and just didn’t mention it.

Morbidly speaking, most people who’d care at all will probably have passed on, and the ones that don’t won’t know.

 

[BlkMach10510]

Look at Barrett-Jackson, replicas and fakes can bring in more than the real thing. No one cares as long as the person buying knows what it is.

 

[IPOGT]

If it were a ‘69 428 they’d care.

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