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ThrottleHouse has a clip where they did a track test with the DH+HP & Mach1+HP. The Mach1 was impressive and had a great lap time but the DH beat it (not by much) and bested some damn good cars times on their leaderboard. I was definitely impressed by both the times of both cars. The DH+HP lives up to it's name and Ford hit a homerun with it, IMO.
The Trofeo tires that come with the Dark Horse HP are stickier. I suspect that's what accounts for most, if not all, the difference. The rear brakes are clearly better, too, but Ford really didn't upgrade the platform in a material way for the S650.
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The Trofeo tires that come with the Dark Horse HP are stickier. I suspect that's what accounts for most, if not all, the difference. The rear brakes are clearly better, too, but Ford really didn't upgrade the platform in a material way for the S650.
Yeah, the tires were a point of discussion by the drivers at TH. Tires, rear 4 piston brakes, and 20 HP over the Mach1. Jason Camissa from Hagerty did a cool episode on the mustang and DH too. He loves it as well. Not sure why people always talk about DH hate when it seems the car mags love it?
 

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Yeah, the tires were a point of discussion by the drivers at TH. Tires, rear 4 piston brakes, and 20 HP over the Mach1. Jason Camissa from Hagerty did a cool episode on the mustang and DH too. He loves it as well. Not sure why people always talk about DH hate when it seems the car mags love it?
I suspect most S550 owners would find the DH a rewarding car to drive if they actually tried it. However, expectations were raised by the release of a "new generation." For the price of a DH, people expected more, especially when looking at what Chevy did with the C8. The S550 blew the S197 out of the water.
 

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I suspect most S550 owners would find the DH a rewarding car to drive if they actually tried it. However, expectations were raised by the release of a "new generation." For the price of a DH, people expected more, especially when looking at what Chevy did with the C8. The S550 blew the S197 out of the water.
That may be it. A fully optioned DH is damn near the price of a CFTP GT500. Insane how high prices have moved the last 5 years.
 

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Not sure why people always talk about DH hate when it seems the car mags love it?
For most people it's more important how it looks than how many fractions of a second faster it is ;-) Objectively it is better, but looks are subjective, so there you have it.
 

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I look at my Mach 1 and, to me, it looks like an old car now.
 

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I can feel why people can get that impression. This is why new cars sell. Each to his own and that's great!
 

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That is debatable. I track my Mach 1 and have had zero issues with brakes. I was using G-Loc R10(f) and R8(r) and now use R12/10. The car stops hard. With good tires and track pads, I would doubt the Mach 1's braking is that much inferior to the DH. Stock, there is about an 8-10' difference in 60-0 braking between the 2 cars.
The brakes are larger and 2-piece on the dark horse and it is also brake by wire which is an advantage over the Mach 1. Of course tires are the limiting factor in max grip and will affect 60-0 stopping distances. Why are we talking about 60-0 stopping distances? It is only one measure of braking performance. This is a track car. One time stopping distances mean very little. Both of these models are designed for track usage and the ability to dissipate heat and provide consistent performance is paramount. It has technology that can optimize brake usage beyond what a conventional system can do combined with larger brakes.

I see comments about the Dark Horse being heavier, but my recollection is they're within 100# of one another. I've seen Mach 1's with a full tank at or slight below 3900# and Dark Horses at not much more. Some of you all could lose more weight than the difference between these two cars.
 

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I like new cars too. So my salesman called me and sent me these pics on a dark horse they got in trade. I told him I wasn't interested but I had to find out for myself. I drove a carbon HP. It had 800 miles on it so I was able to really drive it. I don't don't if it's the carbon wheels or the pirrellis but turn in felt quicker lighter. I can't say it was any faster. It felt as fast. I can see where the screens could be set up for track and have lots of information easily readable for the focal impaired. I don't mind saying after driving I'd own one. If only it was a few grand less. The carbon on this one is 9k.

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The brakes are larger and 2-piece on the dark horse and it is also brake by wire which is an advantage over the Mach 1. Of course tires are the limiting factor in max grip and will affect 60-0 stopping distances. Why are we talking about 60-0 stopping distances? It is only one measure of braking performance. This is a track car. One time stopping distances mean very little. Both of these models are designed for track usage and the ability to dissipate heat and provide consistent performance is paramount. It has technology that can optimize brake usage beyond what a conventional system can do combined with larger brakes.

I see comments about the Dark Horse being heavier, but my recollection is they're within 100# of one another. I've seen Mach 1's with a full tank at or slight below 3900# and Dark Horses at not much more. Some of you all could lose more weight than the difference between these two cars.
I used the 60-0 test comparison because that was the most readily available comparison info on the Google machine.

Still, the difference really isn't that much and it really comes down to driver skill and the size of their balls while on track. I'd argue, for a track car, the M1 is better because brake pads will cost less. I could also add 2 piece rotors and be way less expensive than the overpriced, and ugly, DH.
 

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I like new cars too. So my salesman called me and sent me these pics on a dark horse they got in trade. I told him I wasn't interested but I had to find out for myself. I drove a carbon HP. It had 800 miles on it so I was able to really drive it. I don't don't if it's the carbon wheels or the pirrellis but turn in felt quicker lighter. I can't say it was any faster. It felt as fast. I can see where the screens could be set up for track and have lots of information easily readable for the focal impaired. I don't mind saying after driving I'd own one. If only it was a few grand less. The carbon on this one is 9k.

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Sorry Ford, but those wheels are disgusting, CF or not.
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