Livernois or Cobb Tune?

[Livernois Motorsports]

you don't see many alternative fuel runs for lms is it takes an act of God to get one, in fact how many people have one ? as far as I know only the one person they got in to the 11s

It doesn't take much at all actually David. We have had 4 or 5 members on this forum alone that have BETA tested various tunes inc. race gas tunes for us. You wanted us to give you a tune that we told the world nobody would get. That was made clear from day one. Lexi should be a testament to that fact that we will provide aggressive remote tuning that is safe, dependable and reliable. You decided to switch tuners (which is totally fine), but you did so before we had the chance to gather all of the data that the calibration team needed in order for us to confidently provide everyone with the tuning that you were after.

It is great that there are people on here that only tune a small group of very similar vehicles! We how ever have proprietary tuning support for over 100 different vehicles across 4 different makes not including separate or duplicated vehicles. It is far easier for someone to sit at a desk in a home office, and build tunes from pre-loaded maps that are provided from a 3rd party tuning company for a select group of Fords, BMWs, Subis, Mitsus, etc.... We however cannot and do not do that. We are an almost 40 employee strong, 36k sqft facility, w/ five 5-axis CNC machines, 3 dynos (with a new baby one the way), 15 lifts, a bevy of manual engine build machines not to mention all of the other smaller machines that we have to have for our client and other sorted OEM projects.

At some point you have to realize that we cannot provide different tuning for every day of the week. We do have hundreds of other clients and projects that require tuning either remote or in person. We receive vehicles, engines and heads from almost every single major vendor on this forum (and others) on a daily basis. Are we supposed to tell a manufacturer, manufacturer performance division, professional race team or the largest supercharger vendor on the planet that they have to wait a few days for us to do something for them, because we have to make a special remote tune? That is not possible. Please do not get me wrong, we have no problem making revisions, but there has to be some reason included with your criticisms. Just like how life gets in the way, sometimes huge on fire projects come in. We do our best to avoid those issues and still serve everyone with everything that they ask for as quickly as possible, but that cannot always be done.

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[Tune+]

It doesn't take much at all actually David. We have had 4 or 5 members on this forum alone that have BETA tested various tunes inc. race gas tunes for us. You wanted us to give you a tune that we told the world nobody would get. That was made clear from day one. Lexi should be a testament to that fact that we will provide aggressive remote tuning that is safe, dependable and reliable. You decided to switch tuners (which is totally fine), but you did so before we had the chance to gather all of the data that the calibration team needed in order for us to confidently provide everyone with the tuning that you were after.

It is great that there are people on here that only tune a small group of very similar vehicles! We how ever have proprietary tuning support for over 100 different vehicles across 4 different makes not including separate or duplicated vehicles. It is far easier for someone to sit at a desk in a home office, and build tunes from pre-loaded maps that are provided from a 3rd party tuning company for a select group of Fords, BMWs, Subis, Mitsus, etc.... We however cannot and do not do that. We are an almost 40 employee strong, 36k sqft facility, w/ five 5-axis CNC machines, 3 dynos (with a new baby one the way), 15 lifts, a bevy of manual engine build machines not to mention all of the other smaller machines that we have to have for our client and other sorted OEM projects.

At some point you have to realize that we cannot provide different tuning for every day of the week. We do have hundreds of other clients and projects that require tuning either remote or in person. We receive vehicles, engines and heads from almost every single major vendor on this forum (and others) on a daily basis. Are we supposed to tell a manufacturer, manufacturer performance division, professional race team or the largest supercharger vendor on the planet that they have to wait a few days for us to do something for them, because we have to make a special remote tune? That is not possible. Please do not get me wrong, we have no problem making revisions, but there has to be some reason included with your criticisms. Just like how life gets in the way, sometimes huge on fire projects come in. We do our best to avoid those issues and still serve everyone with everything that they ask for as quickly as possible, but that cannot always be done.

You are no doubt a large company, I'm not sure anybody questioned that. I have tuned plenty of cars from many different manufacturers with a ton of different software. However, I don't offer to tune everything I have experience with because I don't want to sacrifice the service to my customers. I already have my hands full on my niche group of vehicles, going any further to be greedy would result in lost customers in the group of vehicles I care the most about. How this is a negative thing is beyond me, but it seems like that is what you are trying to say.

I applaud businesses that strive on tuning so many different platforms but unfortunately that isn't for me. Working with the same vehicles and software everyday allows me to come to "what works and what doesn't work" decisions much faster, which in turn allows me to knock out a tune faster so the customer doesn't have to wait weeks between revisions.

Also, because you love to say "incorrect" to me I get to say it to you as well.

It is far easier for someone to sit at a desk in a home office, and build tunes from pre-loaded maps that are provided from a 3rd party tuning company for a select group of Fords, BMWs, Subis, Mitsus, etc....

Incorrect, false, Nein Falsch. My basemaps are created from a 100% factory ROMs, for a reason.

 

[EcoSwag1990]

It was literally no more than 2 weeks ago that tune+ and tittermary both stated that RGA was better than ms109

I guess we'll see whose engine lasts longer. I'm 15k miles in tuned, 20k overall. I refer to it as a race tune not because of the gas you are using but because it's clearly extremely aggressive

Edit: actually it was a month ago. Time flies. But here's the thread. And ms109 is 101 octane btw

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34823&highlight=Ms109

 

[Jake]

Livernois hires Adam. Boom, everybody wins.

 

[Tune+]

It was literally no more than 2 weeks ago that tune+ and tittermary both stated that RGA was better than ms109

I guess we'll see whose engine lasts longer. I'm 15k miles in tuned, 20k overall. I refer to it as a race tune not because of the gas you are using but because it's clearly extremely aggressive

Cost factor and ease, if you are going to quote it quote it right. At the end of the day 109 octane is better than 100, no matter what.

Extremely aggressive? No, it's called a proper tune. If it was extremely aggressive it would of already shot a rod out the side of the block like every other tuner has done.

 

[tittermary]

It was literally no more than 2 weeks ago that tune+ and tittermary both stated that RGA was better than ms109

I guess we'll see whose engine lasts longer. I'm 15k miles in tuned, 20k overall. I refer to it as a race tune not because of the gas you are using but because it's clearly extremely aggressive

it is better it's so much easier to use and cheaper and I think safer , never said it made "more" power

 

[tittermary]

and as far who's last longer? let me know when you get over 30 11second passes (driven to and from the track at that) if mine blows up tomorrow it's already proven itself I have 12k miles and all have been racing miles except for about 2k when I went on vacation.

 

[higdominator]

Ok and because COBB tuners basically blanket this forum with new threads constantly and post in every thread they get most of the business. There are less than 10ppl in the EB section that really post on here regularly that have LMS tuning so it's pretty stupid to try to use this forum as an example of who has faster customer cars.

Especially considering the fact that u are comparing ppl mainly running the LMS 93oct daily tunes to ppl who are running E30 race tunes. I see no time differences between the ppl running tune+/map 93 tunes and ppl running LMS 93 tuning

E30 is a pure pump fuel. Nothing about it is a "race tune". As a matter of fact I have been daily driving the Mustang for the last month because it's so much fun. I run the E30 "race tune" everywhere I go. It has stock manners. I actually needed to get gas the other day and was too far away from an E85 station. It was at 5 mi. to empty when I rolled in. I added a few gal of 91, started the car and instantly switched to my 91 tune. I'd like to see other "race cars" do that.

It was literally no more than 2 weeks ago that tune+ and tittermary both stated that RGA was better than ms109

I guess we'll see whose engine lasts longer. I'm 15k miles in tuned, 20k overall. I refer to it as a race tune not because of the gas you are using but because it's clearly extremely aggressive

Edit: actually it was a month ago. Time flies. But here's the thread. And ms109 is 101 octane btw

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34823&highlight=Ms109

BTW, you can see my tune is only modest in power, look at my MPH. It's the tune as a whole that is well done.

I'd love to have MS109 and Meth, shit I'm pretty sure I'd run a bit faster...maybe .2's....

 

[Tony Alonso]

OP - I recommend you contact each company individually and assess both options. Both offer different ways to meet your needs, and depending on your use case, one might suit you better than another.

Regarding "incorrect", we'll leave it to say there are some disagreements that won't be settled in this thread.

Closing...

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