dbranger94
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Is it just me or is this guy coming across as rude? I'm trying my best to contain my frustration with this guy!
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F-150 Manifold Testing/Journey
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That's one heck of a custom tune lol
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Lund is telling you the truth, whether you like hearing it or not. Just saying.
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Whoooo,
With a response like that, I think I'd give LUND the big middle finger!
I just think this is a rude way to do business. A more diplomatic approach would be to suggest (which I am doing to you now) is to determine if there was/is an issue being caused by a faulty installation of the F-150 intake manifold? The reason I say this is because, 1. I have a LUND tune combined with 2. the F-150 manifold and my car starts, runs, drives, shifts perrrrrrrfect.
I am not saying that the issue has to be caused by an improper installation, what I am saying is that I think this would have been a more tactful and reasonable response to your inquiries to LUND, and could be causing the issues with your car?
I watch Alex's videos on YouTube whenever he releases a new one, and I have learned a lot from him based on his vids, but man; his response to you was "no bueno"!
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When Alex F. makes the comment, "...that F150 isn't doing anything positive for you..."
Well I have to disagree with him entirely, because it all depends on what the customer is trying to achieve..., no?
LUND seems to think that unless you are chasing HP at the very, very top of the RPM range, then whatever you are trying to accomplish is simply a waste of time, which is telling me that dealing with LUND may be a waste of time for many of us involved in this thread?
That is difficult for me to postulate as I have had nothing but positive experiences with LUND. They tuned my car and I couldn't be happier with what they were able to achieve with my FF tune.
One last thing to keep in mind: We have all seen via VMP's recent intake shootout video, that the F150 intake manifold makes extremely respectable HP (better than the Boss 302), and gives a sizable increase in torque in the realistic/usable RPM range of a street car.
Guess who Alex F. used to work for before jumping ship to LUND Racing? Yep, he worked for VMP.
Food-for-thought.
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dbranger94
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I too have had mostly positive experiences with Lund, I just feel like they are trying to avoid this setup because they don't have a lot of experience with it maybe? It's definitely not a track day setup, and 99% of the people they deal with are after every last HP, but what does he have against me towing a boat with my Mustang?
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For a great truck engine:
https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/lt1-wet-sump
https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/lt1-wet-sump
dbranger94
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Lol, I work for Cummins... Think Lund would write a tune for a 4BT in a Mustang?
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Probably lol. Either way, better off using a truck engine to get truck powerband than a high revving, free-flowing car engine. The coyote isn't a great truck engine because of its displacement compared with its closest competitors (6.2L LT1 mostly) but with the different cams and intake it's ok.
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He does have an unfortunate brash style. Nothing like investing in a certain path of modifications only to have someone essentially tell you it was a stupid thing to do without taking the time to say why. Very disrespectful to the customer. Could be the way he writes emails, rather than the way he really is, but he won't win customers like this particularly if email is the primary means of comms.
His response suggests he's either just personally opposed to your choice of manifold and isn't committed to getting the best outcome, or is out of his depth with your set up and just making excuses. Unless he can state constructively what he feels the issue/s is/are (including install issues if he believes this could be the case) he should respect what you want to achieve and get on with it or seek help from his colleagues.
Waiting '...until the car warms up before taking off'...is unmitigated rubbish in this context. This to me is a sign he's out of his depth (and possibly focused on power rather than driveability) as tuners who are somewhat 'challenged' will often try to brush past driveability issues. Making peak power is much easier than achieving OEM driveability, however it's not like your set up is radical.
Suspect you'll get more frustration here before you get progress, possibly time to find someone else there to do the tune.
Just my 2c.
His response suggests he's either just personally opposed to your choice of manifold and isn't committed to getting the best outcome, or is out of his depth with your set up and just making excuses. Unless he can state constructively what he feels the issue/s is/are (including install issues if he believes this could be the case) he should respect what you want to achieve and get on with it or seek help from his colleagues.
Waiting '...until the car warms up before taking off'...is unmitigated rubbish in this context. This to me is a sign he's out of his depth (and possibly focused on power rather than driveability) as tuners who are somewhat 'challenged' will often try to brush past driveability issues. Making peak power is much easier than achieving OEM driveability, however it's not like your set up is radical.
Suspect you'll get more frustration here before you get progress, possibly time to find someone else there to do the tune.
Just my 2c.
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dbranger94
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I guess I'll just be happy with what I have for now. I may have Fathouse tune the car next spring. I also considered taking it to Palm Beach Dyno. I have a friend who had good luck with Ken when he was in Ohio.
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Your other and very reasonable option, to avoid starting again, is to ask that you be referred to someone else there. And I'm sure everyone who's read your posts about this issue is keen to learn from what happens.
dbranger94
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I talked with John Nardi, who has always been very helpful and respectful to deal with and he passed my concerns on to Jon Jr. who believed that Alex was just giving me his honest opinion and not "blowing me smoke", but also suggested that it is difficult sometimes to discern tone in a message via an e-mail. I'm not sure if he was trying to tell me that Alex has a "way with words" or not, but I'm not upset with Lund as a company. I do feel like their focus may be on quantity and what's popular and their high volume of business may drive that.
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Would it help you if I sent you one of my most recent data-logs? My car runs great with the F-150 intake manifold installed, and my combo isn't radical by any means and maybe LUND could figure out your problem by looking at my data-logs compared to yours considering we have similar set-ups and LUND (Brandon) also did my tune?
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