Engine Differences of the 350R

[Dominator961]

Have any of you watched YouTube videos by "Shelby Exotics"?
He owns 2-3 GT350R's and races frequently, He blew an engine in his black "R"
and did a buy back by Ford after he fought with them. The engine block castings
have the vin# stamped in them and ,believe it or not, the Ford dealership discovered that the long block in the R is different than the base Shelby,
This was determined when Ford had originally offered a replacement motor only under warranty.
Once discovered that the replacement block was different and also would NOT have the Vin # in the casting Ford then agreed to buy the entire car back.
This guy (Shelby Exotics) is for real and has big sponsorships on YouTube and has an abundance of videos.
If you have time check it out.
I own an R and it doesn't matter to me if they are the same or not.
I just thought that I would post this since I have watched practically every Shelby GT350R video out there to get as much info and familiarity that I can about the car I love,

Keep drinking the Kool aide.
First of all I know him and he’s a retard.
He literally thought ford would give him a numbers matching replacement engine.
Anyone that knows anything knows replacement engines do not come with matching vin numbers. Ryan and I personally had this argument and to this day he believes that all replaced engines should have the same numbers on the block. They do not!
He also tried to say ford told him that they would give him a matching number replacement engine.
That’s another problem with Ryan. He doesn’t listen because he has that damn camera going all the time. He’s annoying.
He no longer wanted the car only because it was no longer numbers matching.
So he fought ford and fought for a buy back.
If you believe anything dumb fuck Ryan says you’re as gullible as he is.
The guy is literally a dumb fuck.

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[Tomster]

Keep drinking the Kool aide.
First of all I know him and he’s a retard.
He literally thought ford would give him a numbers matching replacement engine.
Anyone that knows anything knows replacement engines do not come with matching vin numbers. Ryan and I personally had this argument and to this day he believes that all replaced engines should have the same numbers on the block. They do not!
He also tried to say ford told him that they would give him a matching number replacement engine.
That’s another problem with Ryan. He doesn’t listen because he has that damn camera going all the time. He’s annoying.
He no longer wanted the car only because it was no longer numbers matching.
So he fought ford and fought for a buy back.
If you believe anything dumb fuck Ryan says you’re as idiotic as he himself is.
The guy is literally a dumb fuck.

He has a successful business (which is how he affords it all). Thats fine with me....its the american way. However where I drew the line with that wack job is when he tried to use his social media presence to persuade Ford to buy his R back. He had a lot of crappy things to say and yet he kept on buying Ford vehicles.

All the money in the world doesn't make a race car driver. Despite his ego and seemingly unlimited funds, he is not one I would follow for advice.

I guess it just goes to prove anyone can have a YouTube channel. It also goes to prove that people can call it what it is. Kinda funny how this social media thing works, eh?

 

[Dominator961]

He has a successful business (which is how he affords it all). Thats fine with me....its the american way. However where I drew the line with that wack job is when he tried to use his social media presence to persuade Ford to buy his R back. He had a lot of crappy things to say and yet he kept on buying Ford vehicles.

All the money in the world doesn't make a race car driver. Despite his ego and seemingly unlimited funds, he is not one I would follow for advice.

I guess it just goes to prove anyone can have a YouTube channel. It also goes to prove that people can call it what it is. Kinda funny how this social media thing works, eh?

Yeah I literally can not stand the guy. He’s local to me and bought my Forgeline wheels from me.
Instead of him coming to pick them up he sent one of his employees.
He ran his mouth off to me about the vin and block numbers telling me he knows all about the way numbers match, Not to mention he tried to tell me that ford told him they would give him a new engine with matching numbers.
He’s a nut case, he’s annoying, he talks shit he has no knowledge of, he doesn’t do anything for himself except walk around with that damn camera everywhere.
The only reason why he didn’t want the car is because it now lacks matching numbers.
I get it.
But to make videos and keep talking trash and to continue spewing shit is wrong.
A friend of mine asked him not to post a video of his car at his garage at a local track. Ryan recorded the whole thing as if it was a interview and my friend was cool with it, until I seen it posted on YouTube.

 

[Tomster]

I've moved on.... that was until I saw the above post. It is hilarious to think that someone would watch his videos and think he's got it together.

I would watch every now and then and get a good laugh.

You know what, I'm going to stop myself. Despite the idiot that he is, and the spew he spread about Ford, he is a person..... with feelings. I'm sure he's quite fragile, so I'm not going to say anything more about that Ford hating idiot.

 

[Dominator961]

I've moved on.... that was until I saw the above post. It is hilarious to think that someone would watch his videos and think he's got it together.

I would watch every now and then and get a good laugh.

You know what, I'm going to stop myself. Despite the idiot that he is, and the spew he spread about Ford, he is a person..... with feelings. I'm sure he's quite fragile, so I'm not going to say anything more about that Ford hating idiot.

Lmao

 

[Shift]

This feels like the anti-vax of the GT350 section.

 

[GT350-H6088]

if anyone thinks that there are differences between the two engines, find part numbers for the different parts and post them.

I can tell you that yesterday I thought that the "R" motors were different, today I can say now I do not believe this.
I have been collecting Engine Identification Tag information and the only Difference is the Procedure build plan document.

I am trying to get a hold of the Build plan documents
FA-555-AA, (GT350R) FA-557-AA (GT350)
GA-555-AA, (GT350R) GA-557-AA (GT350)
HA-555-AA, (GT350R) HA-557-AA (GT350)
JA-555-AA, (GT350R) JA-557-AA (GT350)
KA-555-AA, (GT350R) KA-557-AA (GT350)

These are the Build Procedure plans, outlining the parts and specs on building the Engine
So far all I can come up with is that there may be a different calibration procedure for the "R"
due to the lack of resonators in the exhaust. The reduced Rotational weight of the Carbon fiber wheels
this may require some changes in calibration of the ECU.

but if you look at the build dates and then you see that these engine are identical when put together because
the serial numbers are sequential for each day. if these motors were different they would have different serial number codes.

I can verify this in more detail if I can get more ID tag info
See this thread
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/gt350-r-engine-build-date-codes.117482/

 

[Wildcardfox]

https://www.fordnxt.com/tech-storie...ms-build-the-shelby-gt350s-voodoo-5-2-engine/

Here’s the article that you are discussing.

Do it like how we would in the Magazine, order both parts and compare. Use a vin code from an non-R and R. You could also contact Ford NXT and ask. Journalist are usually quite happy to fill in any blanks if you have a question with their reporting.

 

[Hack]

https://www.fordnxt.com/tech-storie...ms-build-the-shelby-gt350s-voodoo-5-2-engine/

Here’s the article that you are discussing.

Do it like how we would in the Magazine, order both parts and compare. Use a vin code from an non-R and R. You could also contact Ford NXT and ask. Journalist are usually quite happy to fill in any blanks if you have a question with their reporting.

Not sure you have to order both parts. What I understand is he had a dealership parts guy look up the parts in question and they are the same numbers. If they have the same numbers they aren't going to be different parts.

 

[Wildcardfox]

Not sure you have to order both parts. What I understand is he had a dealership parts guy look up the parts in question and they are the same numbers. If they have the same numbers they aren't going to be different parts.

That’s not enough to definitely say that they are the same. I work for a magazine and I’m telling you what we would do in this situation. You could order both and return, or ask to see the differences. All that the Ford part number says is that the parts are interchangeable. Which they would be, but to say that they are the exact same you would need to see both units, or at the very least contact NXT and ask them about the differences that they talk about.

 

[nastang87xx]

I'm wondering if the lashers thing may have actually been more of a part supplier identification than actual different part spec. That's my theory. But then yes, the article was definitely miswritten. If that's a word.

 

[Epiphany]

Steve Turner isn't with NXT anymore.

 

[JR369]

Keep drinking the Kool aide.
First of all I know him and he’s a retard.
He literally thought ford would give him a numbers matching replacement engine.
Anyone that knows anything knows replacement engines do not come with matching vin numbers. Ryan and I personally had this argument and to this day he believes that all replaced engines should have the same numbers on the block. They do not!
He also tried to say ford told him that they would give him a matching number replacement engine.
That’s another problem with Ryan. He doesn’t listen because he has that damn camera going all the time. He’s annoying.
He no longer wanted the car only because it was no longer numbers matching.
So he fought ford and fought for a buy back.
If you believe anything dumb fuck Ryan says you’re as gullible as he is.
The guy is literally a dumb fuck.

Just watched his video. This guy knows nothing about how engine replacements work and how they’ve always worked since muscle car owners in 60’s started blowing their engines. For example, a 66 GTO engine replacement was stamped with SR for Service Replacement. Nobody gets a repro of their original engine.

 

[Wildcardfox]

Steve Turner isn't with NXT anymore.

I reached out, and spoke to Steve. He said that the workers mentioned that there were differences when they are building an R motor, but that they did not know the reasoning as to why the differences, he presumed durability, by that would be a question for Ford engineers as to why the changes. On a historic point of view it would make sense being that the original G.T. 350S (street) models had a variety of differences when compared to the G.T. 350 Competiton models that became know as the G.T. 350R.

He said he has yet to investigate it further because when he was at the plant they were watching the building of an non-R engine.

He said if he talks to a ford performance engineer that was on the GT350 program he will ask. I know I myself could ask as well, but it’s not something I feel worth contacting Ford about since it is not for any article that I am currently writing.

 

[GT350-H6088]

I'm wondering if the lashers thing may have actually been more of a part supplier identification than actual different part spec. That's my theory. But then yes, the article was definitely miswritten. If that's a word.

I think you hit the Nail on the Head..

I was able to enlarge the Magazine image

The two part numbers that show up
FR3E-6C524-CB This one is printed over XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
GR3E-6C524-BA

Looks Like Ford Racing provided parts with their part number

Pure speculation on the Authors part.

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