Ceratec

[Mustang_Lou]

I've used Cerma, which is a ceramic treatment in the past just like it seems Ceratec is.

Here's good video from I believe the inventor of Cerma … similar results I expect:

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[Angry50]

I've used Cerma, which is a ceramic treatment in the past just like it seems Ceratec is.

Here's good video from I believe the inventor of Cerma … similar results I expect:

is it cheaper? lol i have had ceratec in mine roughly 3k miles.. seems like good results. but i was going to not add it to next oil change and see if the tick comes back.

 

[rtg]

In the 2018 GT with Whipple it definitely quiets the engine. I did not notice a tick of any kind prior to Whipple or after. So can't say anything about how it impacts a tick.

As an aside I put about 3/4 of a bottle in our 2013 Ford Focus. No change in noise(quiet already) but the average mileage has increased by about 9%. This appears to be consistent over about 2500 miles.

FWIW,

Rob

 

[GregP27]

Just as an aside, I keep hearing about BBQ Tick, but what I hear in the videos is piston slap.

Most pistons have a cylinder shape with a flat bottom surface. They have an upper compression ring, one or two oil rings at the top, and one oil ring at the bottom. The bottom ring is there to keep the piston from moving back and forth in the bore. The Coyote has no bottom piston ring. The piston is very short and nothing prevents it from slapping sideways in the bore, Additionally, Ford assembles the Coyote a bit loosely rather than tightly since people today can't be relied on to even break in the engine, the pistons are themselves very short, and there is not a flat bottom on the piston where a ring can be fitted.

My take on it is that Ceratec and perhaps Cerma have a metal-to-metal contact additive that promote sliding rather than grinding. Most good oils already HAVE that additive, but it gets used up as metal-to-metal contact happens and the oil literally runs out of that additive after awhile.

All oils have a Viscosity Index (such as 5W-20). VI: Viscosity Index is an empirical number indicating the rate of change in viscosity of an oil within a given temperature range. Higher numbers indicate a low rate of change; lower numbers indicate a relatively large change. The higher the number the better it is. This is one major property of oil that keeps your bearings happy. These numbers can only be compared within a viscosity range. It is not an indication of how well the oil resists thermal breakdown.

I'll skip Flash Point, Pour Point, and % Ash.

Then we have % ZInc: % Zinc is the amount of Zinc used as an extreme pressure, anti- wear additive. The Zinc is only used when there is actual metal to metal contact in the engine. Hopefully the oil will do its job and this will rarely occur, but if it does, the Zinc compounds react with the metal to prevent scuffing and wear. A level of .11% is enough to protect an automobile engine for the extended oil drain interval, under normal use. Those of you with high revving, air cooled motorcycles or turbo charged cars or bikes might want to look at the oils with the higher Zinc content. More Zinc doesn't give you better protection; it gives you longer protection if the rate of metal to metal contact is abnormally high. High Zinc content can lead to deposit formation and plug fouling.

Valvoline Race oils, such as 10W-30 Valvoline Race, have 0.2% ZInc. Mystic 5W-30 JT8 has 0.1%, and there are about 75 other oils between these two extremes. I do NOT have the Zinc numbers for Mobile 1.

While I believe Ceratec and Cerma have another anti-metal-to-metal additive, I do NOT know if it contributes to plug fouling or not but, if so, plugs are WAY cheaper than engines.

Thanks for your replies. Cheers!

 

[Mustang_Lou]

From what I researched at the time, ceramic oil additives fill in the microscopic pitting that metal would have such that it becomes smoother. I imagine a similarly microscopic coating adheres to the surface as well. I know it definitely quiets the engine as I immediately noticed it when pouring it into the crankcase on my old G8 with the engine running. Others are seeing the same quietening feature.

With Cerma, which wasn't cheap either btw, there's a process where as I recall you need to get the engine up to operating temperature, pour the recommended amount into the crankcase, then drive for something like an hour straight to properly have it "set", if that's the word. From that point on, I seem to recall you didn't need to do it again for a very long time (if at all).

I may get some for my Moto Guzzi motorcycle … you wanna hear noises? Guzzi's make noises!!

 

[Mustang_Lou]

While I believe Ceratec and Cerma have another anti-metal-to-metal additive, I do NOT know if it contributes to plug fouling or not but, if so, plugs are WAY cheaper than engines.

Thanks for your replies. Cheers!

I can't see how an OIL additive would foul the PLUGS?? A gas additive, sure. Yea, a bit of vapours may make it in there if you don't have a catch can but negligible.

 

[Angry50]

I can't see how an OIL additive would foul the PLUGS?? A gas additive, sure. Yea, a bit of vapours may make it in there if you don't have a catch can but negligible.

amounts of oil make it into the compression chamber. either through intake or the minute amount on the cylinder walls.

 

[GregP27]

The rings have a coat of oil on the cylinder oil to ride on. Some gets into the combustion chamber. Not a lot, but some. Over time, it makes itself known.

An upright Vee doesn't not have as much to worry about as, say, a boxer type engine.

 

[Mustang_Lou]

amounts of oil make it into the compression chamber. either through intake or the minute amount on the cylinder walls.

Gotcha but I personally wouldn't worry about it.

 

[accel]

amounts of oil make it into the compression chamber. either through intake or the minute amount on the cylinder walls.

and that is why I installed oil carch cans on both sides.

 

[kluke15]

i had the tick. used it and tick was gone that day. have heard it once or twice since then but nothing that keeps happening. supposedly its good for 30k miles but from what ive seen is when the oil gets dumped the tick comes back. after awhile. i havent dumped my initial oil from the first time i added ceratec yet but will prob add more when i do just to keep up on it.

 

[Coyote Red]

I'll use this and want to try Hotshot secret oil additive but can't find these in O'reily's or Autozone or NAPA. I use Lucas for every oil change now and have no "tick" so it may not be needed in my 16 base GT. Technology is advancing since "Slick50" so these can only help us.

 

[bootlegger]

Gotcha but I personally wouldn't worry about it.

This is more of an issue if you have high blow-by or if you are burning oil. Burning excess oil fouls plugs faster anyway, so I am not sure if the zinc matters much at that point.

 

[barron64]

I now have approx. 6K miles on current fill (5w-30 Mobile 1) with one bottle of Ceratec... No plug fouling and no weird looking oil on the dip stick, just a quiet engine. Used about 1/2qt in 4-5K miles also. I plan on changing oil at around 8-9K miles on current fill and will get some pics if anything weird is noted in color.

 

[EVL-S550]

I dumped my 5W-20 PUP w/Ceratec the other day to put in MC Semi-Syn 5W-30 since I'm taking it in to the dealer for the infamous 2k rattle. Had maybe 1k miles on the oil w/Ceratec. Stuff came out of the pan looking like a Starbucks latte (Caramel color).

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