2017 gt350 engine failure

[superman07]

Why is it always the OPG !??

Why can't Ford produce one that's a quality piece of equipment ? Even if you were born yesterday, you know that the thing is always a weak link in the chain. Why the hell is that.

TSS makes great OPG's, there isnt a single documented failure. MMR makes billet gears, and some, but not many have failed.

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[superman07]

Do you have the links? I keep asking and keep getting nothing, yet some are convinced there are many documented cases of the OPGs failing

do your own search, they have failed, here and other forums as well as Facebook, if you don't want to believe it don't, but I'm not going to waste my time finding the articles, and posts I have read over the last 8 months.

There is a reason the Ford Performance racing engines have a billet OPG. Exactly what Voodoo stated. The 5.2 has the same part as the 5.0. There are guys that have done the swap for pro-charger setups and also swapped for the 5.0. They are convinced and I believe them.

 

[superman07]

Kinda funny actually.

No need to argue. I can agree with KRT22 that people haven't proven anything - no pictures of destroyed OPGs....but I have heard of symptoms from 2 cars that sounded like OPG symptoms. Have I seen the insides of the engine, no.

the issue is Ford spirits away the blocks to area 51 and tears them down, never reporting the part in many cases, we were lucky to find out the cause of fire on the yellow car.

The 5.0 is different, a ton of folks tore there own motors down, so one can expect more picture and factual evidence. But for me, and others may disagree, knowing the problems the 5.0 had, where there is smoke there is fire.

 

[Voodooo]

I guarantee you they didn't start that motor cold and wrap it out.

Thank you and exactly!
No way in hell did they push the car on the dyno, strap it in place and redline it. Had they done that, the opg's would of failed. Period.
So basically they didn't test every aspect!

I love the guys advice in the video. Blanket, snacks, kitty litter. Yeah we need those.
A blanket to lay on when your inspecting your car from underneath for oil leaks.
Kitty litter to soak up the oil from the blown oil lines.
A snickers candy bar for your joe Pesci moment when you're cussing up a storm and pissed off because it happened to you.

 

[superman07]

Right now I'm worrying about engine failure on mine, I have the BBQ tick. Messaged Ford Rep about if it's okay to use the XL17 stuff on the Voodoo but they said to bring it in, hate going to the dealer. While this isn't my video, it is 100% what mine sounds like.

very sorry, I sincerely hope it works out.

 

[Zitrosounds]

Its funny that the OPG is being blammed. Ford did not tell me or the others I've chatted with about their engine failures. Ford wont release details of the engine failures so really it is all SPECULATION. Is it the OPG thats FODing out the engines? Maybe. Oh well! I have a new motor and drive the piss out of mine @ 13mpg hahahahahahaha

 

[machsmith]

I dont know much about these gears, never held them in my hands but the guy in this video just answered my question. These things do have porosity... essentially pits and air bubbles in the metal. This severely weakens the unit. This type of part absolutely should NOT be made of this shit, in a hi po engine. You don't skimp on this part. I may drop my pan and put in billet gears next oil change, depending on how hard it is to get it off.


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[Voodooo]

I'm done and burned out on this subject. All you non believers can do as you wish and hope for the best. If you want to take the chance and live with the stock gears have at it. I will not take the chance of my opg's taking a shit.
1) I'm proactive
2) I will not let any dealer service or repair my cars. Warranty or not.
3) Even if my engine did take a shit I'll repair it out of pocket.
4) I'll replace my own gears with billet gears.
5) I'll drive and sleep another day without worry.
6) Who wants to go through the bs of having the opg's go south, sit at the dealer for a x amount of time, having them fk up more things on your car, and be lied to about the problem? Not me!
The only downside to replacing the opg's on the voodoo is you either have to drop the K member or lift/remove the engine. I'll be dropping my K member.
Good day gents.

 

[Voodooo]

I dont know much about these gears, never held them in my hands but the guy in this video just answered my question. These things do have porosity... essentially pits and air bubbles in the metal. This severely weakens the unit. This type of parts absolutely should NOT be made of this shit. You don't skimp on this part. I may drop my pan and put in billet gears next oil change, depending on how hard it is to get it off.


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You gotta drop the K member or pull the engine.
If you wanna add headers, dropping the K member would be best and do it all at once. With the K member out of the way the headers would be a breeze.

 

[dwalker]

Let's see if I can try and settle this topic, lol.

-If you are going to leave your car fairly stock then drive the hell out of it. (Your warranty will cover you)

-If you plan on going with a supercharger or turbo(s), your ass better change the OPG's for your own sake.

-Lastly, if your warranty is about to or is already expired, change the damn OPG's

Cheers to all :cheers:

 

[Voodooo]

Let's see if I can try and settle this topic, lol.

-If you are going to leave your car fairly stock then drive the hell out of it. (Your warranty will cover you)

-If you plan on going with a supercharger or turbo(s), your ass better change the OPG's for your own sake.

-Lastly, if your warranty is about to or is already expired, change the damn OPG's

Cheers to all :cheers:

let me ask you this.
Would you rather replace your opg's now with billet opg's and have peace of mind knowing it's safe and 99.9% less likely to break the billet opg's and do it yourself for around $500-$700 in opg's, timing gear, gaskets/oil. Or have it done for around $1500-$2000 for parts and labor?

Or would you rather live with the thought in the back of your mind that the stock opg's can fail at anytime, get fked up being towed to the dealer by Goober the tow truck driver that ford road side sent out. Which by the way is more than likely the wrong kind of tow truck and does damage to your car.
Then sit at the dealer while ford decides on which action to take.
While you keep making your car payment and insurance payment for a car you can't enjoy because it's tied up at the dealer being worked on by Cooter.

The choice is yours!

If a doctor told you your heart has blockage and needs surgery would you put it off and see how your luck goes? Or have the surgery done?

I'm not sure what your monthly car and insurance payments are, but the OPG swap may be something to consider when your cars sitting at the dealer and you continue mking those monthly payments.

 

[dwalker]

let me ask you this.
Would you rather replace your opg's now with billet opg's and have peace of mind knowing it's safe and 99.9% less likely to break the billet opg's and do it yourself for around $500-$700 in opg's, timing gear, gaskets/oil. Or have it done for around $1500-$2000 for parts and labor?

Or would you rather live with the thought in the back of your mind that the stock opg's can fail at anytime, get fked up being towed to the dealer by Goober the tow truck driver that ford road side sent out. Which by the way is more than likely the wrong kind of tow truck and does damage to your car.
Then sit at the dealer while ford decides on which action to take.
While you keep making your car payment and insurance payment for a car you can't enjoy because it's tied up at the dealer being worked on by Cooter.

The choice is yours!

If a doctor told you your heart has blockage and needs surgery would you put it off and see how your luck goes? Or have the surgery done?

I'm not sure what your monthly car and insurance payments are, but the OPG swap may be something to consider when your cars sitting at the dealer and you continue mking those monthly payments.

But what if you do change them out yourself and something else in the engine randomly gives out from a defect in its manufacturing or something of that nature? Then they see that the engine has been messed with and they decide you're on your own and have to pay out of pocket for a new engine and labor costs. Odds are a lot people that are paying payments won't be able to shell out that kind of money, and I know what people will say, "gotta pay to play". But I'm speaking more to that "leave it stock" crowd in this, and like I said in the other post, if you boost it then go ahead and do the swap.

There's certainly more than one way to approach this whole scenario, but it's gonna be a gamble no matter what.

But by all means, if one feels that they want to go ahead and replace them to feel a little more warm and fuzzy inside then wear it out. I just know Ford will be looking for every little thing to blame it on the customer (if you try and claim it under warranty), that seems to be how they roll in most cases. lol

 

[Mspeedster]

let me ask you this.
Would you rather replace your opg's now with billet opg's and have peace of mind knowing it's safe and 99.9% less likely to break the billet opg's and do it yourself for around $500-$700 in opg's, timing gear, gaskets/oil. Or have it done for around $1500-$2000 for parts and labor?

Or would you rather live with the thought in the back of your mind that the stock opg's can fail at anytime, get fked up being towed to the dealer by Goober the tow truck driver that ford road side sent out. Which by the way is more than likely the wrong kind of tow truck and does damage to your car.
Then sit at the dealer while ford decides on which action to take.
While you keep making your car payment and insurance payment for a car you can't enjoy because it's tied up at the dealer being worked on by Cooter.

The choice is yours!

If a doctor told you your heart has blockage and needs surgery would you put it off and see how your luck goes? Or have the surgery done?

I'm not sure what your monthly car and insurance payments are, but the OPG swap may be something to consider when your cars sitting at the dealer and you continue mking those monthly payments.

Not everyone here is lucky enough to be a mechanic like you. So I choose to keep my car stock and under warranty. If anything happens (knock on wood), Ford will have to take care of it. Put in a non stock part and you open the door to the possibility of Ford not honoring the warranty.

IMHO, there aren't enough factual statistics on the OPG failing to know whether or not it's a serious issue or if it's even the real culprit behind all these engine failures. It might be. But I've been around long enough to know that often things can get blown out of proportion on the internet as well.

 

[stanglife]

Something just occurred to me. Could a failure such as a spun main bearing cause enough sudden oil pressure build up to cause it to break/shatter?

What if all of the oil pump failures that ever occurred were a secondary effect of another engine failure that blocked the oil? For example, take an engine with a billet set of OPGs - it spins a bearing and that's it. The RCA is a spun bearing and the damage associated with that. If that same engine only had a cast OPG gearset, it could potentially shatter from the instant pressure - in which case, the spun bearing would be blamed on the OPG failure, not the other way around. Clear as mud??

This could explain why there NEVER seems to be an engine that suffers an OPG failure that doesn't have some other oiling-related failure.

 

[Mike02z]

let me ask you this.
Would you rather replace your opg's now with billet opg's and have peace of mind knowing it's safe and 99.9% less likely to break the billet opg's and do it yourself for around $500-$700 in opg's, timing gear, gaskets/oil. Or have it done for around $1500-$2000 for parts and labor?

Or would you rather live with the thought in the back of your mind that the stock opg's can fail at anytime, get fked up being towed to the dealer by Goober the tow truck driver that ford road side sent out. Which by the way is more than likely the wrong kind of tow truck and does damage to your car.
Then sit at the dealer while ford decides on which action to take.
While you keep making your car payment and insurance payment for a car you can't enjoy because it's tied up at the dealer being worked on by Cooter.

The choice is yours!

If a doctor told you your heart has blockage and needs surgery would you put it off and see how your luck goes? Or have the surgery done?

I'm not sure what your monthly car and insurance payments are, but the OPG swap may be something to consider when your cars sitting at the dealer and you continue mking those monthly payments.

Scott, I agree with you 100% that the OPG is probably a ticking time bomb. Many of us, who do a lot of basic maintenance ourselves, would not be comfortable with a job this big. I've put S/C's on but when is comes to getting inside the engine, I get nervous. Not on all cars, but on a this car it seems a bit daunting.

If you're ever in my area, I'd gladly pay you to do it and teach me :cheers:

I would not worry about your warranty if you swap your OPG and CG. Ford will never know. Even if they do get inside your engine (Unlikely) they will never notice the difference between stock and aftermarket. Either way, I'd risk it for billet gears.

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