New 2020 GT350 HEP engine failure

[Onlyone]

Cars that are worth a shit ton of money are cars no one wants when built.. Plymouth super birds. Dodge Daytona's. Ford Torino Talladega They couldn't give them away, now they are worth fortunes.


GT350 and R

Sure these are limited editions and will always outperform a regular GT but buying for an investment is stupid, IMO.

Especially due to the numbers of units made. The Superbirds were made in numbers to conform to a mandate for eligibility to race in a major racing class. 500 units if I remember correctly, and no one at the time wanted them. Many dealers took off the front fenders and replaced them with road runner's and the corresponding grill, and removed the wing. Just to get them off the lot.

Most people understand that you don’t buy cars as an investment.

I’m sure your comment was a narrow one because many people wanted Yenkos, Copos, Shelby’s, Ss Chevelles, Camaros, big block anything’s...........I can go on and on.

And there’s a shit ton of cars that nobody wanted that aren’t worth speaking of, let alone any monitory value. So no, cars that no one wanted when built aren’t worth shit, except a very small snapshot of the ones you listed and a few others.

Those GT350s and the like will always outperform the GTs and eco boost and V6 when they get old. Monetarily speaking. Are they a good investment? We will most likely never know and those that think they do are either stupid, jealous or Marty McFly.

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[K4fxd]

I’m sure your comment was a narrow one because many people wanted Yenkos, Copos, Shelby’s, Ss Chevelles, Camaros, big block anything’s...........I can go on and on.

There were 201 1969 Yenko Cameros.

Point made

 

[mroad]

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What sucked was when I got on the forums rightfully upset half the people trolled me for talking $hit about Ford lol.

Andrew, you have all the right to be upset and no one should attack you. With tax and fees, I bet you paid $85K+. I paid $73K for mine out the door with tax and fees, and I had to drive 240 miles to another dealer in CA to avoid greedy dealers in Southern CA trying to gouge me 10K+ over sticker markup for the base GT350 HEP model. If I paid $10K ADM to a greedy dealer, I would have lost this money instantly because lemon law buyback doesn't cover a penny over MSRP.

Now ask yourself, would you have paid that much money for a car who had its engine replaced by an anonymous, non-matching engine that was installed by the dealer's mechanic instead of the builders at Ford Performance division? Why do you have to lose XX% the value of your car through no fault of your own except for trusting Ford that they wouldn't sell you a car whose engine would be trashed in a couple of hundred miles? This is unheard of. The fact that there are so many of us facing this problem doesn't make it any less outrageous.

 

[mroad]

The fact Ford is not allowing the dealers to tear down the blown engines tells me they don't know the root cause of the failures. The blown engines are sent to engineering.

Hasn't this been a problem with all the voodoo's?

Ford has been consistent in not letting dealer service centers do any major repairs to the Voodoo. They just ship a new engine. The question that we owners have to confront is, what happens when they stop making replacement engines since this is the last model year for the Voodoo? Can the dealer mechanics repair them, or we need to find specialized engine builders, most likely out of state or very from from us?

 

[mroad]

That has nothing to do with it. Ford doesn’t want to pay tech’s at a dealership to do that. There would be no benefit to Ford to do that. They would then be having to ship back a disassembled engine which would be a logistical pain in the arse. I’d be surprised if many have the certifications that the manufacturer would most likely require for the internal side as well.

Another reason is Ford wants to avoid triggering the Lemon Law at all costs. They know that car dealer mechanics will take more time to disassemble the engine, order the faulty parts, and then re-assemble and test. And they know the dealer mechanics may take longer times to get to the car with other cars needing repair in the queue. In CA, 30 calendar days at the service shop for any warranty repair within the first 18 months triggers the Lemon Law and they're forced to buy back the car.

 

[stanglife]

I can’t argue with the fact that I’d prefer to have the engine my car came with and avoid a dealer tech tearing the car apart.

That said - Ford didn’t promise you it would be perfect. They promised to repair it during the warranty period. Just be glad you’re getting a new engine and not a repaired mess.

You’re upset but going on about how “outrageous” it is and the “so many of us” thing...it’s just starting to sound petty and silly.

really hope it gets resolved to your satisfaction.

 

[stanglife]

Ford has been consistent in not letting dealer service centers do any major repairs to the Voodoo. They just ship a new engine. The question that we owners have to confront is, what happens when they stop making replacement engines since this is the last model year for the Voodoo? Can the dealer mechanics repair them, or we need to find specialized engine builders, most likely out of state or very from from us?

Certainly you would have considered this question even before you purchased? Wouldn’t this always be relative?

 

[K4fxd]

I'd be pissed if my Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Toyota, Honda, anything blew up while in warranty., I'd really be pissed if it blew up just out of warranty.

Sorry I would not keep any GT350.

My Son is an engine engineer at Cummins. He said he doesn't care about the thing living longer than the warranty period. If it lasts 30 years or 30 days longer than warranty he did his job.

Sounds like Ford's engineers did not do their job.

 

[stanglife]

Another reason is Ford wants to avoid triggering the Lemon Law at all costs. They know that car dealer mechanics will take more time to disassemble the engine, order the faulty parts, and then re-assemble and test. And they know the dealer mechanics may take longer times to get to the car with other cars needing repair in the queue. In CA, 30 calendar days at the service shop for any warranty repair within the first 18 months triggers the Lemon Law and they're forced to buy back the car.

Absolutely correct! I’m certain this plays a role. All manufacturers do this to expedite repairs that might put them at risk of needing to buy the car back. It’s a business and car makers like to sell new cars not buy them. This isn’t a special case for the 350.
All roads lead to whole engine replacement - it’s better for everyone.

 

[mroad]

I can’t argue with the fact that I’d prefer to have the engine my car came with and avoid a dealer tech tearing the car apart.

That said - Ford didn’t promise you it would be perfect. They promised to repair it during the warranty period. Just be glad you’re getting a new engine and not a repaired mess.

You’re upset but going on about how “outrageous” it is and the “so many of us” thing...it’s just starting to sound petty and silly.

really hope it gets resolved to your satisfaction.

We don't know how many are affected. My guess it's a lot. But if we don't publicize what's going on with us, how would we know? Ford lost a major class action lawsuit and was forced to do buybacks (see link below). If no one talked about what they were going through, the problem would've been shoved under the carpet, the consumers would've sucked up and suffered through the problems, and Ford would've gotten scot-free. No motivation to improve quality control for the rest of consumers.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...a-transmission-settlement-buyback/3486344001/

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Get a lawyer and have at it. If you have a 350 and want out of it, then get out of it and move on. As for the reference’s to a dealership doing the rebuild, no manufacturer is going to let a service tech at a dealership get in to a motor.

Another reason is Ford wants to avoid triggering the Lemon Law at all costs. They know that car dealer mechanics will take more time to disassemble the engine, order the faulty parts, and then re-assemble and test. And they know the dealer mechanics may take longer times to get to the car with other cars needing repair in the queue. In CA, 30 calendar days at the service shop for any warranty repair within the first 18 months triggers the Lemon Law and they're forced to buy back the car.

 

[Onlyone]

There were 201 1969 Yenko Cameros.

Point made

Camaros. And no. They were wanted. Badly. Its not like any Yenkos sat on a lot....

Point made.

Sorry OP. Off topic. Sucks you’re going through this.

 

[Super-Genius]

Most people seem to love them. Automotive writers love them. The sound they make at high rpm is a thing of beauty. It does, however, seem like I have read tons of stuff related to some sort of failure with the VooDoo. I can't help but wonder if that is one of the reasons Ford is killing it off.
On a side note, I wish I had one

 

[Super-Genius]

Camaros. And no. They were wanted. Badly. Its not like any Yenkos sat on a lot....

Point made.

Sorry OP. Off topic. Sucks you’re going through this.

The wheels on your car look great

 

[stanglife]

We don't know how many are affected. My guess it's a lot. But if we don't publicize what's going on with us, how would we know? Ford lost a major class action lawsuit and was forced to do buybacks (see link below). If no one talked about what they were going through, the problem would've been shoved under the carpet, the consumers would've sucked up and suffered through the problems, and Ford would've gotten scot-free. No motivation to improve quality control for the rest of consumers.

https://www.freep.com/story/money/c...a-transmission-settlement-buyback/3486344001/

I think you’re nuts and that you just want out of your car - that’s no reason to exaggerate absolutely every aspect of this. I know sometimes people in a low place want to feel like everyone is in that same low place....andcertainly you’ll find a few out of the thousands of cars sold who will come along for the ride but you have a lot of ACTUAL FACT gathering to do before you realize you’re wrong.

You should pursue your personal buyback - that’s you best chance. Get your car back and hope the engine fails again. Everything else is a low percentage play.

Why do I see so many comments on the voodoo being a bad engine? It doesn’t have design problems. The voodoo is a very well engineered engine that has collectively hundreds of thousands of hard track hours to its name. It’s solid.

It has a defective parts. That’s crap quality not design. That’s an inexcusable Ford problem. Just no excuses.

Op I’m sorry to hear about your situation and can’t imagine how mad I would be in your shoes. I hope Ford gets it straightened out and you get to enjoy that beautiful machine to the fullest.

This is a high profile car with a higher than average price tag - consumers with failures are more likely to be enthusiasts and will likely be more vocal which is why the few failures get publicized. I suspect Ford already knows that the failure rate is normal compared to any other car

Most people seem to love them. Automotive writers love them. The sound they make at high rpm is a thing of beauty. It does, however, seem like I have read tons of stuff related to some sort of failure with the VooDoo. I can't help but wonder if that is one of the reasons Ford is killing it off.
On a side note, I wish I had one

Ford said in 2015 when they launched the car, that only the GT350 would get the voodoo and they made it for 5 more years after that. 5 years is a long run for a specialty car like this so I’d hardly refer to it as being killed off.

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