Who will swap for the new 7.3 V8!

[engineermike]

That’s a high revving car. Will it really deliver in Hong Kong traffic?

You wouldn't know this, but the gen3 5.0 makes great torque down low. A lack of torque up high doesn't mean an engine has more down low, and making torque up high doesn't mean it lacks down low. The gen3 makes power to 7500 but it also makes really good tip-in torque at low-revs. This has been explained to you before. So yes, it's still fun in traffic. Plus, with the A10 and 3.55 gear, the gen3 5.0 shifts out of first at 35 mph and out of second at 55, so you get to enjoy all the power twice before hitting a typical speed limit.

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[Fatguy]

You wouldn't know this, but the gen3 5.0 makes great torque down low. A lack of torque up high doesn't mean an engine has more down low, and making torque up high doesn't mean it lacks down low. The gen3 makes power to 7500 but it also makes really good tip-in torque at low-revs. This has been explained to you before. So yes, it's still fun in traffic. Plus, with the A10 and 3.55 gear, the gen3 5.0 shifts out of first at 35 mph and out of second at 55, so you get to enjoy all the power twice before hitting a typical speed limit.

Or: A 3 cylinder NA screamer in the GT with PP2 and magnaride. That would be an experience!


Keep the windows up cause the coffee cups will be flying at you now!

 

[engineermike]

The world will soon embrace EV and nobody will care about exhaust emissions for a few thousand specialty cars. ..

This is simply grossly incorrect. Amazingly wrong. Completely and utterly false. The emissions limits are getting more strict, not less, for the foreseeable future regardless of the growing population of EVs.

How about we make a Mustang that is slightly slower than a typical car. Slower than a BRZ. A car that you have to drive all out just to keep up. But deliver on all the performance only with a smaller motor.

You're not going to convince anyone here that your logic on this is good.

 

[Big Boss]

And here I was going to tell engineermike that the 7.3 offers driving excitement in a world with low speed limits. An alternative to the Miata.


Emissions - except for California - are disappearing. They disappeared here in Toronto on April 1. Now it is just CAFE. But for a swap I’m a free man.


But what do we do with a world that has autonomous cars and speed restrictions, but still allows gasoline cars. The old truck engine in the Mustang will at least give you that old-time experience. As Ford pushes out EVs the restrictions on a specialty cars like the 7.3 may become less of a problem making it a reality and alternative to the Miata.

Wrong on so many levels. While the might not test in your area, the car will still have to meet EPA guidelines. The manufacturer has guidelines to meet. A 7.3 engine making enough power to be a viable option to the 5.0 is not going to pass those guidelines.

No. I’m a guy who wants driving excitement where everyone drives slow. This actually exists in Toronto (if you know what I mean) but will soon be the norm in about 5 years. What will performance cars do in that environment. With dash cams, red light cameras, ecm controlled speeds, what will you guys be able to offer the performance car enthusiast?

How do you have excitement while driving slow?

It's more exciting to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow

 

[Fatguy]

You wouldn't know this, but the gen3 5.0 makes great torque down low. A lack of torque up high doesn't mean an engine has more down low, and making torque up high doesn't mean it lacks down low. The gen3 makes power to 7500 but it also makes really good tip-in torque at low-revs. This has been explained to you before. So yes, it's still fun in traffic. Plus, with the A10 and 3.55 gear, the gen3 5.0 shifts out of first at 35 mph and out of second at 55, so you get to enjoy all the power twice before hitting a typical speed limit.

Since we are talking about driving a Mustang GT in Hong Kong, what do you make of this:

 

[BmacIL]

Since we are talking about driving a Mustang GT in Hong Kong

Only you are.

 

[Norm Peterson]

On thing is this idea of stepping back as an engineer and asking yourself if you or your team should be going down this path. Without oversight one would expect engineers to produce faster and faster cars.

These days there are those pesky emissions and fuel usage matters that also need to be satisfied, all with engineered solutions that get along with each other. You can't use your situation or relative immunity from having to demonstrate emissions compliance as evidence that the OEs don't have to either.

Skunk-works groups aside, engineers work toward some specified set of goals, with some emphasis on making that happen with a semblance of efficiency rather than overdone for the sake of overdoing it. For example, you want to be able to burn rubber in 1st using only the throttle. Don't expect an engineered solution for that to provide you with a car that is traction-limited all the way into 4th gear and well beyond 100 mph.

But humans have physical reaction times that are constant.

Reaction time is only part of it, and arguably not the most important part. Being the reaction-time champion at choosing the wrong thing to do when the poo is about to hit the fan usually ends badly.

But here is the rub...

Is it better to have the engineers restrict themselves and possibly restrict their skill and creativity for social responsibility -or - let those creative horses run free but have their overlords (bosses or governments) keep their creativity in check? Like restrictor plates in F1 engines or imposed speed restrictions on car makers in Europe.

That's not engineering. Engineering is about making things happen, not deciding that they must be made to happen. Engineering is about working with whatever constraints are in place toward the best reasonable solution, whether those limits be physical or artificially imposed.

Someone has to protect people from themselves and this not only includes the public but also the engineers.

Yeah, that's right in lock-step with today's politically-correct thinking. Well-intended, I suppose, but it tends to be way too meddlesome. Let's just say I don't appreciate those who would have me substitute their we'll-protect-you-at-the-same-lowest-common-denominator-level-as-everybody-else thinking for the experience and judgment that I've managed to accumulate.

The social designers usually end up with this task as I think having the engineers close off development and creativity - on their own - does not advance culture and technology even under the guise of public safety. Plus the engineers would probably be unhappy that way.

Engineers wouldn't close off those things, as there's always going to be incentive to do things more efficiently.

So instead of developing 200mph cars that quickly get people into trouble. How about straying away from numbers and improving them,

Those cars aren't for everyone, any more than your 7.3L swap would be. Nobody is going to be forced into buying either of them. On getting into trouble, I wouldn't want somebody doing a burnout in the lane next to me any more than I'd want somebody else pass me on the highway doing a hundred mph more than I was.


Norm

 

[bootlegger]

Wait a minute - after all this talk and argument you are saying being an engineer is just a job to make money?



And the market does not know what it wants at its most base level. Visionary’s with influence do that and the public decides on the details.



If it’s just about money the government will regulate you. Are you cool with that?

No, the point flew over your head. We don't make products to satisfy 1 out of 1million. We make products to satisfy the broadest range, while maintaining certain specifications. As stated before, what I want personally doesn't drive what I develop. Otherwise, every vehicle would be track ready (and certainly wouldn't be a old technology). Occasionally, I will get to work on performance vehicle development projects, but I still have to pay the bills. Part of the fun in development is using technology and advanced methodology to meet the goals from project management.
Also, you are wrong about the market. The market knows what it wants and votes with dollars. Look at the massive boost in sales with the introduction of the S550 in 2015. People were bored with the S197 design and technology. In comes a sleeker, more modern design, with more modern suspension/engine/creature comforts. The market responded with their money, and sales peaked.
The government already regulates us. There are safety standards, OSHA standards for manufacturing, environmental standards, and even regulations for export. Part of being a good engineering team, is being able to pump out the best product working within the limits of regulation.

 

[bootlegger]

I guess their business philosophy is more restrictive than others. So much for what the public wants. Could start a trend. Then you have those other EU rules coming in that sooner or later will have hard speed limits. Car makers and engineers will have to bend or curb their limits on cars. So why not focus on the driver experience at those lower limits?

People who want to run 150+mph on the track will find a way to eliminate the nannies. Your wants do not equate a positive driving experience for 99% of consumers.

 

[bootlegger]

My stripper Fox Body Mustang was a muscle car and also did it. It can be done on all sorts of cars.

My S550 can cook your fox body at low or high speeds.

 

[Fatguy]

Another much cheaper way to simulate old school motoring is to fit the V6 Mustang with the worst tyres you can find. Perhaps some unknown Chinese brand. Read the tyre reviews and buy the bad ones.

Separating belts do give that fear factor at slow speeds. It doesn’t have to be that dangerous but we can have the tires hard and noisy with some slip in the corners. I see where you are getting at. Fear for your life, but at legal speeds!


DrGrabster, sometimes your are truly devious, positively Machiavellian in your methods or thinking - but you may have something there! Insert a little anarchy into the handling - like the early rear engine Porsche’s that liked to swap ends. Some call it character, some call it a car that must be respected; but all called it desirable.


Dude you Rock!

 

[TexasRebel]

Here's your driving excitement.

 

[Fatguy]

Here's your driving excitement.

I used to race bikes. Built wheels from scratch that would last. The way to keep both styles of riding at the same time is to ride the altered bike backward if it has a fixed gear like a track bike.


He’s not as smart as he thinks he is...


You can thank me later...

 

[GT Pony]

You mean like Geely (a Chinese company) that owns Volvo and will soon have a top speed of only 180km an hour hard limit on all its cars? If that’s the case “driving excitement” will have to happen at slower speeds...

Sounds like that business model fits your desire, as long as it has lots of low end, low speed torque.

 

[GT Pony]

This is for the engineers. If cars speeds get regulated down by computer and if roads get calmed by self-driving cars. How are you going to build driving excitement?

Engineers still need to design and build cars for zombies who can only drive a smart phone.

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