Who will swap for the new 7.3 V8!

[Fatguy]

Now it's up to 30 pages of garbage. To recap for anyone not wanting to read through the rest of this dumpster fire


It's 2 guys making opinion statements as facts while the rest of the forum is trying to use facts with people that can not be reasoned with.

Yah but it did have some fun moments on all sides so it’s not that bad! I actually like engineermike!

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[Erik427]

Here's a source from Popular Science discussing the engine in 1990.

https://books.google.com/books?id=l...QAhWmwFQKHSSiAEkQ6AEIRDAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false

According to this, it was designed for both. It was NOT designed solely as FWD based on this.

Because of the lack of space in a FWD application.
The engine family had to be designed as a FWD motor and then altered for RWD which was nothing more than new motor mount bosses.

This is we said it was designed as a FWD engine.

When GM tried this with the LS.
Reliability with the trans was horrible.
Working on them was even worse.

 

[Erik427]

Well it looks like the Electric Hybrid Mustang is coming.
The ICE will be for the most part just be a glorified generator.

 

[5.2 liters of democracy]

Because of the lack of space in a FWD application.
The engine family had to be designed as a FWD motor and then altered for RWD which was nothing more than new motor mount bosses.

This is we said it was designed as a FWD engine.

See that's where the disconnect is. I do not see anything stating it was designed as FWD and then altered for RWD. The article specifically states it was designed for both so feel free to post a source that says differently.

 

[Fatguy]

See that's where the disconnect is. I do not see anything stating it was designed as FWD and then altered for RWD. The article specifically states it was designed for both so feel free to post a source that says differently.

In the end what does it matter. We are obsessing about about esoterica as an excuse to clash egos. It’s fun for a while and maybe informative to a certain extent. But it does get tiring after a fashion. Who ever wants to win this - it’s yours!


I just wish Ford came out with the specs when they made the announcement. Why all the secrecy? That would settle things quickly.

 

[Cobra Jet]

Now it's up to 30 pages of garbage. To recap for anyone not wanting to read through the rest of this dumpster fire


It's 2 guys making opinion statements as facts while the rest of the forum is trying to use facts with people that can not be reasoned with.

 

[GT Pony]

Nobody is arguing that the modular v8 wasn't used in a FWD car. The fact that it was used in a FWD application DOES NOT PROVE that the entire engine family was "designed and intended for FWD applications." In fact, the very first application of the modular v8 was RWD, and the FWD version didn't show up for another 5 years.

Which RWD vehicles used the modular V8 before it was ever used in FWD vehicles 5 years later?

 

[GT Pony]

Here's a source from Popular Science discussing the engine in 1990.

https://books.google.com/books?id=l...QAhWmwFQKHSSiAEkQ6AEIRDAJ#v=onepage&q&f=false

According to this, it was designed for both. It was NOT designed solely as FWD based on this.

So it wasn't soley designed for FWD use, but the space and dimensional requirements for FWD use had a lot of influence on the design.

If the tighter engine bay space requirements were not part of the original modular engine design, then the Coyote would probably be a different animal than it is today - probably more bore spacing and larger displacement.

The S550 is "long nosed" and it certainly would not have been hard to put a larger displacement (longer engine with larger bore spacing) in it with some front end design tweaks when Ford did the 6G design.

 

[Strokerswild]

Which RWD vehicles used the modular V8 before it was ever used in FWD vehicles 5 years later?

Crown Vic, Lincoln Town Car, Lincoln MK8.

 

[The Rooster]

The cost would be astronomical. Engine, trans, electronics... maybe in 5 years when you can find a wrecked truck and salvage the powertrain but the question remains... WHY? If the old muscle feel is what you want in a late model car; shove a 428 in it with a 5 speed stick and add fuel injection if you want it driver friendly. But you'd be hard pressed to even pull that off for 10k (even doing it yourself and sourcing used parts)

 

[engineermike]

It may be easier but it depends on Ford and whether they will offer up the crate motor. I think they will...

They might. They might even offer a crate motor engine harness and ECM like they do for the Coyote. However, I would not expect them to integrate it into the existing new vehicle can-bus systems so that all of the integrated modules can work together. That presents all sorts of other challenges.

 

[engineermike]

You have all the tools on your phone to prove/disprove affirm or dismissive information on the go.

The onus is on the one making the claim, not those he is trying to convince. This has always been and always will be the case.

If you are too lazy to vet statements or claims yourself....

You are literally describing yourself here. You want other people to do your research and back up your claims for you.

But unlike the past, you are in control and don’t have to rely on “sources”.

Like I pointed out before, you're trying to say that people can spout whatever BS they want, state it as fact, don't have to prove any of it, and people should just believe it. This is crazy talk.

 

[engineermike]

See that's where the disconnect is. I do not see anything stating it was designed as FWD and then altered for RWD. The article specifically states it was designed for both so feel free to post a source that says differently.

Exactly! This is where sources come in handy. The linked source did not describe it in this way.

 

[Silver Bullitt]

Like I pointed out before, you're trying to say that people can spout whatever BS they want, state it as fact, don't have to prove any of it, and people should just believe it. This is crazy talk.

I guess you've never heard of CNN!

 

[GT Pony]

^^^ OK, we all know per the Popular Science article that Ford's original modular engine design goal was based on it being used for both FWD and RWD vehicles. So when an engineer sits down and says "What do I need to incorporate into this engine design to make it also usable in a FWD car?", then obviously plans for FWD applications also had a role in it's design.

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