Who will swap for the new 7.3 V8!

[Fatguy]

No, it'd be near middle of the car in the tunnel, and right inside where the brake booster is. You'd literally have to cut holes and patch right in front of where your right knee sits, and the passenger left knee sits. I'll repeat: you have no clue on how this stuff goes together in production, and every time you make statements like the above, you show it more. I think I'll take my own advice and stop arguing with people who ignore facts and reality.

Good day and RIP to this thread (hopefully).

Even if it drops off page on it will probably come back when the rngin specs come out. Then when the first conversions are made. This isn’t war so chill. On the truck again picking up some stuff from a not for profit. That’s what Fats does on a Friday afternoon.

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[Loki-GT]

I think most Mustang drivers just want to fry the tires from a stop for their friends. They also want point and shoot traffic performance in gear without drama. A pushrod truck engine does that best.

First, I don't know why I'm still in this thread... and still commenting, I guess I'm bored. My current '18 GT 5.0 can burn the tires to the rims, easily, seriously easily with zero drama, it even has a button for it called the line lock, set, press gas watch tires smoke until you get tired of it or they blow, there are literally hundreds of videos on Youtube of idiots doing this, some burned their cars to the ground thats how long they fried the tires.

Point and shoot performance with no drama, what do you consider drama? You can do this in any modern performance car with zero drama.

1200 rpm!

You have this hard on for 1,200 rpm, I've owned lots of big blocs, even a 1972 Lincoln Mark 460 with a 2.73 gear that was just hitting 2nd gear crossing the traps, awesome torque, great cruiser, completely different kind of cruising than one does in a Mustang.

The only guys I ever see with the engine on the boil is Subaru WRX STI guys. Everyone one else spends literally 99% of their time driving around at 1200 rpm or something close to that.

I see all sorts of 4 bangers on the boil, Evo's, Neon turbo's, frackin every single Civic on the planet that thinks its fast. The only time I'm at 1,200 rpms is when I'm doing 40, most cars aren't geared that tall and why would they want to be.

Don’t believe me? Just monitor your tach as you drive around and try to “poo-poo” my assertion that the best thing is to optimize for the 99% of the time you drive your car. Low end grunt is the best thing here as you listen to talk radio or warmed over songs by prodigy.

My 2017 AWD MKZ has twin turbos where peak torque comes in at 2500 rpm, it currently makes around 450hp and 430 lbft and that sucker pulls hard down low, do I enjoy it, sure. Know what's better, a Coyote at full scream pulling like a motherpucker to 7,800 rpm's!

99% percent of the people don’t go drag racing their car or rarly do. 99% of Mustang owners don’t track their cars or rarely do. They would appreciate the most grunt as they hit the throttle off idle and remind themselves they are in a performance car.

You assume most people, you know what has off idle monster pull, a Coyote with twin turboskies, drive one some time, it will make the sickest big block you have ever driven feel like weaksauce. Drive a Whipple Coyote that makes torque right from idle and tell me you're not screaming like a school girl.

So I have a laughable theory and an engine that could probably test that theory and probably some real examples late next fall. I think it’s fun and if I’m right I will probably own one.


Or would you rather go to the threads about my favourite colour, or best dealer package to order. They have their place but try to keep an open mind for alternative ways to drive. Ask people who hop into a GT and take a test drive for the first time and what they expected. They expected massive tire shredding torque at the touch of the throttle! That’s what they expect and we can give it to them but at a cost to the true performance guys - that is all...


I spend a lot of time in many vehicles (sometimes in one day) but I have spent a lot of time in low rpm vehicles so I don’t have the knee-jerk negative reaction to the thought of driving a truck engine in a Mustang.


But keep an eye on that tach as you drive around and ask yourself if a car optimized to that low rpm isn’t an idea worth fleshing out?

You're missing the point, these engines spool up so fast and have immediate response as is, you claim 99% would love a 1,200 rpm torque engine except the only engines that hit hard that low are turbo diesels. That 7.3 won't be any better than a Coyote at 1,200 rpm and doesn't need to be for the fleet trucks they will be installed in because current transmissions aren't the old style 3speed with OD.

Hey, if you do it, good on you but your reasons don't track for the many clear reasons given. Doesn't mean I don't want to see one whoever is crazy enough to do it.

 

[Fatguy]

My friend, you sound like you are having a mid-life crisis & really want a modified Mustang, but afraid.

The mustang you want it the current Mustang GT, with a supercharger. There are MANY reputable companies that will sleeve your block and upgrade the engine components for those who want axle snapping TQ down low. You just have to pay for it.

You... <---- just don't want to pay for it.

People depend on me to put food on their table so being cheap helps.

 

[Loki-GT]

People depend on me to put food on their table so being cheap helps.

Well now that, 99% of the people can understand!

 

[engineermike]

People depend on me to put food on their table so being cheap helps.

So why are you talking about doing a $30-40k engine conversion? Makes an upgrade to a gt sound cheap!

 

[BMAGOO]

This thread has been like a bad accident, I just can’t look away !

 

[Notagain]

Know what makes a coyote feel bigger?

BOOST.

Coyotes love boost!

 

[Fatguy]

So why are you talking about doing a $30-40k engine conversion? Makes an upgrade to a gt sound cheap!

I will go to a 1.5 million home to have supper and use the wifi to maybe watch a Cleetus McFarland video, fall asleep on the floor in the basement. Then I either spend the night there or drive to this other I million dollar house and fall asleep on the floor in the guest room beside a computer still running with the lights on. Nobody else lives there but me. Oh, there is a master bedroom with all the fixings but I keep my washed cloths on the bed so I never sleep there.

Then if I didn’t sleep in house one I drive back there and eat breakfast with my dad who lives there. That right there is nuts.


I bought the V6 because my car broke down on Saturday and I needed a car for Monday and bought it from fleet sales Monday morning and the fleet manager said I could pick it up after lunch. Whole thing took 10 minutes. At the time I didn’t give two shits about anything performance car related. Hanging around here revitalized the interest in cars.


But I’m not suckered into having my identity tied to the car I drive. Nor am I going to buy a brand new car and then replace parts with other brand new parts just because! I’m also not going to develop a relationship with that crook call a “dealer” and I’m not going to trade in a one year old car for a new one that has one or two changes. What is wrong with some of you guys?

Getting a big block is just fulfilling a dream I had when a was younger. The cost is secondary. I buy it to be true to my younger self if that makes sense. I’m not stupid enough to do this on my own. I’ll let someone else do it and when they hurt for cash get it cheaper or convert my car on the cheap. I will get the conversion cheaper than you guys who are in to for emotional reasons. But basically this is just to scratch an itch


Otherwise I’ll just get a base Corvette and keep driving the V6...

 

[Tone Everready]

I will go to a 1.5 million home to have supper and use the wifi to maybe watch a Cletus McFarland video, fall asleep on the floor in the basement. Then I either spend the night there or drive to this other I million dollar house and fall asleep on the floor in the guest room beside a computer still running with the lights on. Nobody else lives there but me. Oh, there is a master bedroom with all the fixings but I keep my washed cloths on the bed so I never sleep there.

Then if I didn’t sleep in house one I drive back there and eat breakfast with my dad who lives there. That right there is nuts.


I bought the V6 because my car broke down on Saturday and I needed a car for Monday and bought it from fleet sales Monday morning and the fleet manager said I could pick it up after lunch. Whole thing took 10 minutes. At the time I didn’t give two shits about anything performance car related. Hanging around here revitalized the interest in cars.


But I’m not suckered into having my identity tied to the car I drive. Nor am I going to buy a brand new car and then replace parts with other brand new parts just because! I’m also not going to develop a relationship with that crook call a “dealer” and I’m not going to trade in a one year old car for a new one that has one or two changes. What is wrong with some of you guys?

Getting a big block is just fulfilling a dream I had when a was younger. The cost is secondary. I buy it to be true to my younger self if that makes sense. I’m not stupid enough to do this on my own. I’ll let someone else do it and when they hurt for cash get it cheaper or convert my car on the cheap. I will get the conversion cheaper than you guys who are in to for emotional reasons. But basically this is just to scratch an itch


Otherwise I’ll just get a base Corvette and keep driving the V6...

Contradiction. I ain't even mad at you, though. I like your style. Keep on keepin' on.

 

[Fatguy]

Contradiction.

Only if you hold to the false reality that rationality rules supreme in life. Rationality is just a practical mental tool but only one tool of many you can use. Like science only shows the relation between things and not the things themselves. It can’t tell you how to live your life. You can try to figure it all out before you die but on your death bed you will be just as confused over it all in the end...

 

[Notagain]

this thread makes my head hurt.

 

[JPSTANG]

Now we're getting philosophical, this need to end. Lol

 

[engineermike]

I’ll put up a 7.3 horsepower number that’s larger than the Coyote Gen 3 just because it pisses you guys off but it means little to me. I just want gobs of torque.

I see you missed my point again. I’m not denying that the 7.3 could potentially be rated higher than the 5.0. What I’ve been saying is that if it does, then it WON’T be the low-end torque monster you think it will be. Or vice versa. Let that soak in for a minute.

 

[engineermike]

Oh I know, I was just replying to the low torque comments. I tried for a while to find an 18+ stock coyote dyno graph but just couldn't dig one up.

See post #162, where I posted a comparison of a 2018 vs Ford 6.2.

And ya, my point about the LS7 was that it’s a big cube 2-valve v8 but torque doesn’t peak until nearly 5,000 rpm....as the OP went on and on about how he doesn’t want to have to rev his engine past 2500 to get the torque.

 

[GT Pony]

Here is a guy I feel sorry for, salt of the earth and a solid citizen that gets screwed over by shitty quality control in the latest Coyote motors:

That car also had a supercharger on it (watch his other videos), so hard to say what happened there.

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