Base GT test drive not impressive. What am I missing

[BmacIL]

Is that just for the traction aspect though? I know the Track and Sport + mode also have a much different throttle response vs. normal mode and increased shift points on the auto.

Sport mode (double tap) in the base has improved throttle response as well.

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[2015Etrac]

Sport mode (double tap) in the base has improved throttle response as well.

Oh ok. Also, apparently it's really easy to add the bezel/toggles and premium modes as well, according to the guys over at the V6 forum for those of you who want the toggles. You do need access to FORScan though.

 

[Hack]

I have an ecoboost for a year. I have since sold off a few toys I didn't use much any more for plans to finally get a gt. The gap from the premium auto ecoboost to the GT is much then I hoped but I'm getting there. So today I test drove a base auto gt. Seems to be all stock. First part I drove in drive. Felt really pretty boring with really only a couple half throttle pushes. Then I did sport. It was better but still felt a bit less strong than my eco with a few half throttle runs. I gave a decent full throttle run which felt ok down low and nice pull at top that the eco does not have. I then drove with paddles and still torque wasnt that great at 2000 to 3000 then progressive better topend pull. It seemed geared high though. I only hit full throttle a couple times for a short period. I see dyno charts and the gt should have more torque at 2500 but charts are always full throttle. Does an eco have better pull at part throttle. Does a base gt have other issues that doesn't let it perform as good as a PP. Could the gearing just be that low. I'm just trying to see what I'm missing since I have been really looking forward to saving up for the gt. I have a premium test drive in a couple days and look forward to see how that one performs. Maybe going to try a manual too. FYI. Also text drove an 08 gt manual and man that felt slow. Maybe very high gearing.

If you want the car to accelerate harder, push the throttle down farther. :cheers: I don't know why you want to push the throttle ~ half way down and try to compare that. Doesn't make sense at all.

 

[Boddie]

If you want the car to accelerate harder, push the throttle down farther. :cheers: I don't know why you want to push the throttle ~ half way down and try to compare that. Doesn't make sense at all.

^^ This. Or get one a premium and put it in sport or track for better throttle response. Or if you want the base auto for price and full warranty get a pedalmax. It plugs in between the pedal and the throttle connector. You will notice the difference without having to sacrifice the auto and going pp since you need an auto. Will you be faster? No, but partial throttle will be more fun.

 

[Tommy556]

You should consider test driving an eco with a vargas stage two and/or full bolt on E30 - preferably tuned by Adam. It's a total eye opener on what (relatively cheap) mods can do to these ecoboost engines. You wouldn't believe its actually the same car as stock.

 

[tw557]

If you want the car to accelerate harder, push the throttle down farther. :cheers: I don't know why you want to push the throttle ~ half way down and try to compare that. Doesn't make sense at all.[/QUOTE

I understand what you are saying but I'm just saying that driving the car on the same manner as I drive my ecoboost (daily driving) it just didn't feel as strong and I continued to push farther and farther to get decent response in lower rpm. I just didn't expect to need to do that. I don't plan to go wot driving to work each day. I am sure the pedalmax will help. After learning from you guys I think it is the high gearing that is bothering me the most. Glad to also get a better understanding of the different modes.

 

[millhouse]

If you want the car to accelerate harder, push the throttle down farther. :cheers: I don't know why you want to push the throttle ~ half way down and try to compare that. Doesn't make sense at all.[/QUOTE

I understand what you are saying but I'm just saying that driving the car on the same manner as I drive my ecoboost (daily driving) it just didn't feel as strong and I continued to push farther and farther to get decent response in lower rpm. I just didn't expect to need to do that. I don't plan to go wot driving to work each day. I am sure the pedalmax will help. After learning from you guys I think it is the high gearing that is bothering me the most. Glad to also get a better understanding of the different modes.

Don't drive it the same way as an ecoboost. Throttle modulation between a NA vehicle and turbo vehicle is going to be completely different. If you only use a fraction of the pedal, a Ford Powerstroke is going to feel faster than both.

Embrace pedal modulation. It allows you to easily drive 'easy' when you want, and likewise like a total 'douchbag' with a bit more foot.

 

[2015 Silver GT]

When my 2015 auto with 3.15's was stock it would blow the tires up in sport or track mode. Definitely wasn't a gearing issue. My 2011 with 3.15's went low 11's N/A. No gearing issue with that car either.

 

[cbrookre]

I understand what you are saying but I'm just saying that driving the car on the same manner as I drive my ecoboost (daily driving) it just didn't feel as strong and I continued to push farther and farther to get decent response in lower rpm. I just didn't expect to need to do that. I don't plan to go wot driving to work each day. I am sure the pedalmax will help. After learning from you guys I think it is the high gearing that is bothering me the most. Glad to also get a better understanding of the different modes.

OK, so help us out here. What problem are you trying to solve by getting the GT? You say that you are not comfortable "pushing" the car during your normal daily commute. The GT has a higher top end but you have to push the car to get it there. But that is true for anything, if you want more performance the right pedal has go lower. Just being honest, it seems like you are contradicting yourself. The GT does not have higher performance where you pushed it to, but you are not really willing to push it further than you did... So is performance your goal? Then you need to push either car. Just to have the V8 and feel like you spent good money? That is personal. Sound and appeal? Just get the V8 already...

Sorry, but I am getting more and more confused.

 

[Swayse]

If you want the car to accelerate harder, push the throttle down farther. :cheers: I don't know why you want to push the throttle ~ half way down and try to compare that. Doesn't make sense at all.[/QUOTE

I understand what you are saying but I'm just saying that driving the car on the same manner as I drive my ecoboost (daily driving) it just didn't feel as strong and I continued to push farther and farther to get decent response in lower rpm. I just didn't expect to need to do that. I don't plan to go wot driving to work each day. I am sure the pedalmax will help. After learning from you guys I think it is the high gearing that is bothering me the most. Glad to also get a better understanding of the different modes.

Part throttle performance, my eco pickup feels faster than my wifes mustang. The thing is, push it down the throttle all the way to go full throttle. And, stock for stock, my wife's 3.15 auto gt felt faster than my 3.73 PP gt, if you push down the throttle peddle all the way and go to redline.

 

[tw557]

OK, so help us out here. What problem are you trying to solve by getting the GT? You say that you are not comfortable "pushing" the car during your normal daily commute. The GT has a higher top end but you have to push the car to get it there. But that is true for anything, if you want more performance the right pedal has go lower. Just being honest, it seems like you are contradicting yourself. The GT does not have higher performance where you pushed it to, but you are not really willing to push it further than you did... So is performance your goal? Then you need to push either car. Just to have the V8 and feel like you spent good money? That is personal. Sound and appeal? Just get the V8 already...

Sorry, but I am getting more and more confused.

I understand that it does get contradictory and this continues on. I always liked the saying "torque puts the smile on your face and hp keeps it there. I just expected this gt to put the smile on my face as soon as i pulled out from a stop sign. I fully understand I will be plenty happy when I deside to really get on it and rev it out. I really miss that since my eco falls very flat up top. But I also wanted this to feel strong all the time even when driving normally. Or at least at strong a pull as the ecoboost at lower rpm. And from what I felt at say 2500 rpm I need to push the pedal alot more and still don't think it felt as strong. Maybe even as much as 3000. But up at 4000 and above noticeably stronger. I just didn't think I need to rev this out as much. I guess I have just gotten accustomed to the instant torque turbo motors deliver now a days.

 

[tw557]

You should consider test driving an eco with a vargas stage two and/or full bolt on E30 - preferably tuned by Adam. It's a total eye opener on what (relatively cheap) mods can do to these ecoboost engines. You wouldn't believe its actually the same car as stock.

I think i would give this some consideration but it certainly is more involving to do. I have no e30 or e35 stations. The meth injection systems seem a little more to keep after for a daily driver. Also I don't have any shops or friends with any mustangs to compare to let alone modified ones. I'm thinking that would be the performance and feel I am looking for. I figured the gt would do the same and have a warranty. I don't think I would feel comfortable modifying the ecoboost that far without internals upgraded.

 

[tw557]

When my 2015 auto with 3.15's was stock it would blow the tires up in sport or track mode. Definitely wasn't a gearing issue. My 2011 with 3.15's went low 11's N/A. No gearing issue with that car either.

I guess this is what I was expecting. At the one stop sign I told the salesman I'm gonna get on it hard this time. I was in sport mode. I went to the floor but not instantly and was waiting nervously for wheel spin, nothing. It was just a good fast launch. It just had on stock 18 tires. The take off just didn't feel instant. I did not power brake at all though.

 

[TomcatDriver]

I understand that it does get contradictory and this continues on. I always liked the saying "torque puts the smile on your face and hp keeps it there. I just expected this gt to put the smile on my face as soon as i pulled out from a stop sign. I fully understand I will be plenty happy when I deside to really get on it and rev it out. I really miss that since my eco falls very flat up top. But I also wanted this to feel strong all the time even when driving normally. Or at least at strong a pull as the ecoboost at lower rpm. And from what I felt at say 2500 rpm I need to push the pedal alot more and still don't think it felt as strong. Maybe even as much as 3000. But up at 4000 and above noticeably stronger. I just didn't think I need to rev this out as much. I guess I have just gotten accustomed to the instant torque turbo motors deliver now a days.

But if you are talking partial throttle, this is just a function of throttle mapping not torque or HP curves of the actual engine. Ford (I'm sure) mapped the throttle in "normal" to provide optimal daily driving experience under most conditions. My guess is this is not linear and is biased to provide smooth starts in stop and go traffic on the bottom end. Hypothetically something like 10% pedal = 8% throttle, 25% pedal = 20% throttle, 50% pedal=45% throttle, 75% pedal = 75% throttle, and finally 100%=100%.

There are various aftermarket throttle tweakers to change the mapping, but it doesn't change the engine.

 

[BmacIL]

I guess this is what I was expecting. At the one stop sign I told the salesman I'm gonna get on it hard this time. I was in sport mode. I went to the floor but not instantly and was waiting nervously for wheel spin, nothing. It was just a good fast launch. It just had on stock 18 tires. The take off just didn't feel instant. I did not power brake at all though.

Autos suck unless tuned lol.

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