Erik427
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Oh by the way, OHC is older than OHV......just saying.
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So exactly what design aspect of the Coyote was incorporated for use in FWD vehicles?Coyote is stuck in the mid '80's with the idea that everything would be FWD.
Bore spacing was kept compact to allow for a east to west traditional installation.So exactly what design aspect of the Coyote was incorporated for use in FWD vehicles?
Bore spacing was kept compact to allow for a east to west traditional installation.
Typical of FWD cars to this very day.
This is a design trait carried of from the Coyote's Mod Motor
dna.
You mean like 4v, DOHC, TiVCT, IMRC, and GDI?.... the new ones will be faster and produce more power than the old ones. Because they are new with all the technological improvements. ...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you asked for input from the forum:....Why do you even care?....Let’s say you won all your arguments. What is the reward? ...
So how do you guys feel about this? ...What do you guys think and are you going to look into the 7.3 swap?...
All mandated by the rule book. DOHC and 4v will make more power, all else being equal....
Australian Super Cars use pushrod in the Ford Mustang.
Nascar used pushrods in the Ford Mustang.
Top Fuel Funny Car uses pushrods in the Ford Mustang.....
Agreed that there are definitely replacements for displacement, but as you continue to push and stretch power output more and more, costs and maintenance increase much faster than power does. I'm not advocating for huge displacement engines, but I am advocating for an increase in displacement - maybe 20% increase to 6 liters rather than 5 - so that the engine doesn't have to push limits quite so much in order to achieve performance goals. The overall size and weight of the Coyote would not increase by that much if it was 6 liters vs. 5. However, the complexity and cost could be reduced. Get rid of direct injection, for one.And still false after all these years. I can't even imagine thinking so simplistically.
Agreed. It wouldn't even have to be "large" cubes. Just some more cubes and/or cut some fat off the Mustang itself. If the next generation Mustang weighed closer to 3500 lbs and had a 6 liter port injection engine making 550 hp or so it would be awesome. Especially if it had a transaxle. Save some money on the engine design and development by increasing the displacement and use that money to create a transaxle for better balance and performance.A large cube Mustang sounds very nice.
Here's what to expect for the 4th gen Coyote.
Mono port exhaust like the 2.3 found in the Stang.
Possible Hot V Twin Turbo.
Displacement on demand.......you think the cams are complicated now?
This motor will be so complex the aftermarket will run from it.
Just look at the new Caddy 4.2 and tell me that this is what you want to call progress.
While I agree that the mod motor bore spacing is smaller than most v8's, even by small-block standards, I'm not completely convinced it was done that way for FWD packaging reasons (though it's possible). I could be convinced it was done that way to save space and weight, and the trend at the time was smaller engines. However, I would also like to note that if displacement was the Achilles heel of the mod motor, then why don't we see more versions of the 5.8 liter mod motor? It's, well, 5.8 liters and was used in only one car (660 hp). Then, for 2020 the 7-800 hp GT500 is going back to a smaller 5.2 liter engine and making power somewhere between the Hellcat and the Demon. Apparently, Ford didn't get the memo that the mod motor is inherently limited by its displacement.Coyote is stuck in the mid '80's with the idea that everything would be FWD.
Bore spacing was kept compact to allow for a east to west traditional installation.
Typical of FWD cars to this very day.
This is a design trait carried of from the Coyote's Mod Motor
dna.
You're welcome.I had to dig around to see what you were talking about when you kept talking about the front wheel drive Coyote motor. The problem with the Wikipedia world is sometimes things get left out. But it sure looks like you know your stuff!
The modular engine was used in the front wheel drive Lincoln back in the day and the original design was dictated by front wheel drive use which ended up with the limitations on expanding engine size - if I got that right.
So this is a limitation that would require a larger new block for much more displacement. Now I get it! You learn something new every day.
Thanks!
As previously stated, the mod motor went up to 5.8 liters in v8 form. However, apparently Ford didn't see the need to use the 5.8 liter version very many places. If you can achieve your power and torque goals using 5.0 - 5.2 liters, why bother?...So this is a limitation that would require a larger new block for much more displacement.
You mean like 4v, DOHC, TiVCT, IMRC, and GDI?
At the time, it was believed that controlling emissions became much more difficult with larger bores. I don’t remember the sweet spot, but it was somewhere around 3.7 inches. This also played a part in the design of the mod motors. Of course, technology advances and that limit was overcome.While I agree that the mod motor bore spacing is smaller than most v8's, even by small-block standards, I'm not completely convinced it was done that way for FWD packaging reasons (though it's possible). I could be convinced it was done that way to save space and weight, and the trend at the time was smaller engines. However, I would also like to note that if displacement was the Achilles heel of the mod motor, then why don't we see more versions of the 5.8 liter mod motor? It's, well, 5.8 liters and was used in only one car (660 hp). Then, for 2020 the 7-800 hp GT500 is going back to a smaller 5.2 liter engine and making power somewhere between the Hellcat and the Demon. Apparently, Ford didn't get the memo that the mod motor is inherently limited by its displacement.
I'll refer back to my last post...Oh by the way, OHC is older than OHV......just saying.