Who else is Manual or Bust?

[Norm Peterson]

Them: I want the greatest Engine you can produce for 2020
Ford: DONE. Check.

Them: I want the greatest suspension you can produce using advanced technology
Ford: DONE. Great suspension, check. Use computers to develop it, fine . . . but keep them way away from its operation.

Them: I want the greatest aerotechnology you can produce for 2020
Ford: DONE. Check.

Them: I want the most up-to-date interior you can produce comfort, quality and sportiness
Ford: DONE. Make it usable and functional. Not pretty for the sake of pretty.

Them: I want the greatest electronics controlling everything that you can produce
Ford: DONE. Everything??? Ummmm, no.

Them: I want the ABSOLUTE most capable all around performance machine FORD has ever done
Ford: Done. I think that's called a Ford GT, not a Mustang anything.

Them: YoU DiDN't pUt a 100 yeAR oLd TrANsMisSiOn iN it!!!???
Ford: What.. The.... F**k...

Are you suggesting that Ford should have chosen to go with the CVT instead?

I mean, helical gearing is such 19th century technology (1897), and spur gears are far older than that.


Norm

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[Norm Peterson]

I wouldnt say thats a flip-side, id say its the same thing, maximizing the potential, maximizing the expected repeatable results.

If you're not racing in timed competition, those things aren't nearly that important.

Most people don't race in timed competition . . .


Norm

 

[V00D00]

Are you suggesting that Ford should have chosen to go with the CVT instead?

I mean, helical gearing is such 19th century technology (1897), and spur gears are far older than that.


Norm

im suggesting the most performance oriented car, with their best efforts, have exactly that, aka dct.

most points were highly opinionated

If you're not racing in timed competition, those things aren't nearly that important.

Most people don't race in timed competition . . .


Norm

they have cars for those guys.. and not labelled as "GTxxx". for the rest of us, we do

 

[Ninjak]

I think they should just drop a "Toploader' in it and call it a day. That way all of the MANUAL guys will be fully engaged. The Z1LE is getting a 10spd automatic...I wonder why that is. So when it's whooping your butt you can still be engaged and say I'm shifting!

Going to quote somebody..."If your not 1st your last !" I think the GT500 will be a beast to drive with the DCT, and I can only hope things are not out of control so I can get my grubby hands on one.

 

[Eritas]

If you're not racing in timed competition, those things aren't nearly that important.

Most people don't race in timed competition . . .

Norm

I agree. I want GM to make faster cars than Ford, but I'll be happier and cooler rowing my own gears. It's not like I can buy a car that better fits my needs.

 

[Braski]

I don't get paid by how fast my car is. If I did I would not have a manual or even a mustang! I have my mustang because I enjoy driving a manual, V8, rear wheel car that's looks and sounds good! Obviously I'm going to buy the fastest car that fits that bill as long as it looks sexy too! I need a back seat so that's the reason I bought my car 4 years ago. I was really thinking the GT 500 would be my next car but I guess I'll have to wait for the next offering or wait until I no longer need a back seat and go buy a vette. If I had a crystal ball I would of held off a year or two a bought a GT 350. Trading up on one is still an option. Nothing sexier than a black Gt 350 with matte black stripes out lined in red with the track pack spoiler!

 

[FastCarFanBoy]

I don't get paid by how fast my car is. If I did I would not have a manual or even a mustang! I have my mustang because I enjoy driving a manual, V8, rear wheel car that's looks and sounds good! Obviously I'm going to buy the fastest car that fits that bill as long as it looks sexy too! I need a back seat so that's the reason I bought my car 4 years ago. I was really thinking the GT 500 would be my next car but I guess I'll have to wait for the next offering or wait until I no longer need a back seat and go buy a vette. If I had a crystal ball I would of held off a year or two a bought a GT 350. Trading up on one is still an option. Nothing sexier than a black Gt 350 with matte black stripes out lined in red with the track pack spoiler!

C8 Vette appears to be DCT only as of now.

 

[Braski]

C8 Vette appears to be DCT only as of now.

Probably, good thing I love the c7's! I'd take a z06 or even a grand sport!!

 

[Norm Peterson]

im suggesting the most performance oriented car, with their best efforts, have exactly that, aka dct.

Fair enough, though there should still be room for choice. Even at the top.

I have to hope that those who are fortunate enough to get one of these cars actually uses it to the extent of its (or their) capability with the paddles. Hate to think that most of these cars will end up being driven with the selector slapped . . . err, twisted . . . into 'D' just like any other automatic.

they have cars for those guys.. and not labelled as "GTxxx". for the rest of us, we do

I guess we'll have to wait and see how well the 500 does in track sessions that last 20 minutes or so rather than 10 seconds, on tracks that go around more corners than just the U-turn onto the return road. I'm sure that for time trialing where the second or so per minute really does matter the car will get bumped well up the classing ladder. Hopefully it'll be better at more than just the obvious straight line stuff, and not end up being a Hellcat with a blue oval badge.


FWIW, if for any reason I absolutely had to choose a 2-pedal car, I'd probably go DCT over conventional AT. But as of right now either of those choices takes away more than it gives back. To me, anyway.


Norm

 

[V00D00]

Fair enough, though there should still be room for choice. Even at the top.

I have to hope that those who are fortunate enough to get one of these cars actually uses it to the extent of its (or their) capability with the paddles. Hate to think that most of these cars will end up being driven with the selector slapped . . . err, twisted . . . into 'D' just like any other automatic.



I guess we'll have to wait and see how well the 500 does in track sessions that last 20 minutes or so rather than 10 seconds, on tracks that go around more corners than just the U-turn onto the return road. I'm sure that for time trialing where the second or so per minute really does matter the car will get bumped well up the classing ladder. Hopefully it'll be better at more than just the obvious straight line stuff, and not end up being a Hellcat with a blue oval badge.


FWIW, if for any reason I absolutely had to choose a 2-pedal car, I'd probably go DCT over conventional AT. But as of right now either of those choices takes away more than it gives back. To me, anyway.


Norm

fair analysis. But i feel the 350 would suit most track people anyway. hell, if 350 had dct, i woulda been fighting hard to get one of those too.

part of the draw for twisty oriented cars, is making them straightline monsters. On weekends with family/kids, even alone, car cruises etc, they are a great enjoyable ride. but then, when i feel like being a retard, i can go hang with a different set of friends, and hit the highways or dragstrips for straight line fun.

 

[Eritas]

I don't see people complaining Ferrari ditched manuals and McLaren never offered them (F1 does not count).

 

[Norm Peterson]

I don't see people complaining Ferrari ditched manuals and McLaren never offered them (F1 does not count).

Let's hope that the Mustang crowd never get as upscale-image-conscious as that.

Buy a DCT or whatever for the right functional/operational reason, fine.


Norm

 

[Darkane]

I don't see people complaining Ferrari ditched manuals and McLaren never offered them (F1 does not count).

No we don’t hear of it, but check out the price of the final manual equipped F430s. It’s amazing.

 

[Ed M]

Hate to think that most of these cars will end up being driven with the selector slapped . . . err, twisted . . . into 'D' just like any other automatic.

Why does it matter to you how a person drives a car that you don’t own?

 

[Norm Peterson]

Why does it matter to you how a person drives a car that you don’t own?

OK, I'll play . . . why does it matter to you that it actually might matter to me?


Norm

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