Whipple plus nitrous?

[Barrel]

MIR. I have been to all the tracks in Jersey.. MIR is better. You should join us, if you are heading to Atco, it's only a couple more hrs. And if you were heading to Englishtown, don't waste your time. You bite your tongue on that "R" word though. :cheers:

Heh. If you guys get rained out I'll probably have time to get my car back on the road and come play too lol.

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[TooSoonJunior]

MIR. I have been to all the tracks in Jersey.. MIR is better. You should join us, if you are heading to Atco, it's only a couple more hrs. And if you were heading to Englishtown, don't waste your time. You bite your tongue on that "R" word though. :cheers:

Ive always set all my records at Atco, but the facility is really poor. Just a low DA and happy clock. Still think I hold the world record for 2.9L hemi on a stock suspension, full weight LX car, it was set there.

Ill think about MIR, but unless I can get this Mantic clutch installed and broken in by then, wont be happening. Would love to meet you guys tho.

 

[TooSoonJunior]

Whipple tunes are fine, they just don't produce results at the strip, don't care what you are looking at. Most whipple tunes that dyno 700+ only go 11.2-11.4's at 128mph, which sucks in my opinion. If you want to see the fastest tuned whipple cars then go visit PBD's Facebook page, dozens of 9 & 10 sec whipple setups.

The fact is that the OP wants to go 10's, right now his 134mph is enough power but either his kung fu isn't strong enough or there is room for improvement on his tuning. He doesn't need nitrous, he needs trackside support from Bjonnes, that's it, end, /thread.

BTW, please post up your slips from your whipple tune, lets see those awesome results. I'll guarantee that I can post up slips from a smaller blower on less boost that has lower et's and higher mph. I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just wanting to discuss results, nothing but pure data

Lastly, where are all the whipple tuned cars?

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16739

Youre not comparing pure data, you are comparing stock whipple cars with amateur drivers with stockish suspension on street tires to full suspension and sticky tire whipple cars with experienced drivers. You are not comparing tunes by looking at track slips.

I am comparing tunes. If one tune commands 19* of timing and 0.82 lambda and both have the same torque reduction amounts (same knock logic, same allowed throttle control for different torque commands, etc), why would you argue one goes is faster than another? Its not voodoo.

 

[BDMACH1]

IMO, you will never go fast with a Whipple tune because you are limited by what injector they use. Not enough injector for any real boost/E85.

 

[TooSoonJunior]

IMO, you will never go fast with a Whipple tune because you are limited by what injector they use. Not enough injector for any real boost/E85.

Not arguing there, but a recommendation to the OP to switch tuners keeping his setup the same to get 10s I think is a bad recommendation.

IMO I'd rather start with a Whipple operating system and just tweak the injector settings and/or flex fuel settings and leave all else the same.

 

[RockStang]

I'll add my 2 cents. I ran the Whipple tune for a while and could NEVER break into the 10s. Not because the MPH wasn't there. Because the WOT shifts were very bad on my car. I had to switch to manually shifting the car and I picked up .3 secs. Went from constant 11.0s to 10.7 once I got the manual shifting down. Was a PITA and I think it's too dangerous and far too risky if you fuck it up. I won't ever do it again as I have over revved the motor and got lucky and then another time I double shifted at the track because of the shift lag and lugged the car very hard at WOT. 2 situations that could easily cost you a motor. I still agree that the Whipple tune drive-ability is leaps and bounds above custom tunes from what I've seen so far.

 

[Burnin4]

Youre not comparing pure data, you are comparing stock whipple cars with amateur drivers with stockish suspension on street tires to full suspension and sticky tire whipple cars with experienced drivers. You are not comparing tunes by looking at track slips.

I am comparing tunes. If one tune commands 19* of timing and 0.82 lambda and both have the same torque reduction amounts (same knock logic, same allowed throttle control for different torque commands, etc), why would you argue one goes is faster than another? Its not voodoo.

No, I'm comparing ALL stg2 whipple tune results to the PBD results. Most of these people started off as whipple customers then transitioned over to PBD, same drivers and same cars/setups, except they're going a lot faster now. The tunes are not the same, don't care what you are looking at, might be the same amount of timing and a/f but there is a lot more then that to going fast.

I realize you have posted approximately 32 new threads in the past 60 days acquiring all of your new wisdom but you've yet to produce any real results of your own. All you know is what you read, I'm just hear to tell you that a PBD tune will yield higher results then a whipple tune, analyze that anyway you want.

To the OP, don't install nitrous, either sharpen up that kung fu, find a track with lower DA/elevation, or explore other options that have definitive results

 

[Sp33dyGT]

No, I'm comparing ALL stg2 whipple tune The tunes are not the same, don't care what you are looking at, might be the same amount of timing and a/f but there is a lot more then that to going fast.

counldn't agree with you more. but i know the top two or raved about tuners now are lund and PBD.

there's plenty of other people/tuners/shops that can tune. just dont understand why it's black and white where PBD is the only option especially on this forum.

 

[dubster99]

134 is still plenty of mph to go 10's no matter what the DA is, you're still trapping high enough. Something is up. I've seen stick cars run high 10's trapping 128-129.

 

[Burnin4]

134 is still plenty of mph to go 10's no matter what the DA is, you're still trapping high enough. Something is up. I've seen stick cars run high 10's trapping 128-129.

100%. 60ft is solid at 1.6 for a manual, and mph is there, I think he needs to be making his shifts at 7500+.

OP what rear gear do you have? Ideally a 3.31 so that you are staying in 4th gear through the traps. If you have 3.73's then you are dropping et's going into 5th at 125'ish. Also, those rtr's ain't helping, a simple wheel/tire change would pick up et & mph.

 

[v8ter]

I'll add my 2 cents. I ran the Whipple tune for a while and could NEVER break into the 10s. Not because the MPH wasn't there. Because the WOT shifts were very bad on my car. I had to switch to manually shifting the car and I picked up .3 secs. Went from constant 11.0s to 10.7 once I got the manual shifting down. Was a PITA and I think it's too dangerous and far too risky if you fuck it up. I won't ever do it again as I have over revved the motor and got lucky and then another time I double shifted at the track because of the shift lag and lugged the car very hard at WOT. 2 situations that could easily cost you a motor. I still agree that the Whipple tune drive-ability is leaps and bounds above custom tunes from what I've seen so far.

Drivability is way better now with Lund tune, no hesitation and overall I liked it more, but I switched to custom tune because I went o/r headers and wanted to use racefuel.

 

[v8ter]

No, I'm comparing ALL stg2 whipple tune results to the PBD results. Most of these people started off as whipple customers then transitioned over to PBD, same drivers and same cars/setups, except they're going a lot faster now. The tunes are not the same, don't care what you are looking at, might be the same amount of timing and a/f but there is a lot more then that to going fast.

I realize you have posted approximately 32 new threads in the past 60 days acquiring all of your new wisdom but you've yet to produce any real results of your own. All you know is what you read, I'm just hear to tell you that a PBD tune will yield higher results then a whipple tune, analyze that anyway you want.

To the OP, don't install nitrous, either sharpen up that kung fu, find a track with lower DA/elevation, or explore other options that have definitive results [

Im gona try a different track with a bit better da and see if she can handle a bit more boost

 

[v8ter]

100%. 60ft is solid at 1.6 for a manual, and mph is there, I think he needs to be making his shifts at 7500+.

OP what rear gear do you have? Ideally a 3.31 so that you are staying in 4th gear through the traps. If you have 3.73's then you are dropping et's going into 5th at 125'ish. Also, those rtr's ain't helping, a simple wheel/tire change would pick up et & mph.

I have 3:31, Im using welds rt-s 28" slick hoosier bias-ply a d front mh skinnies, I confirmed with a friend who tested his setup at a different track and said his et 60' everything else stayed the same but the mph showed less. Im gona go up to 100mph, test with a gps and see what the slip will show next time I go , it doesn't make sense .

 

[v8ter]

Im shifting it hard, Im looking at the datalogs and I see I get wheel spin when shifting in each gear , I have wot box, Powershifted and shifted letting of the throttle but shifting fast and I went 11.22 (letting go throttle, and 11.18 powershifting)

 

[Burnin4]

I have 3:31, Im using welds rt-s 28" slick hoosier bias-ply a d front mh skinnies, I confirmed with a friend who tested his setup at a different track and said his et 60' everything else stayed the same but the mph showed less. Im gona go up to 100mph, test with a gps and see what the slip will show next time I go , it doesn't make sense .

well damn, you have the right gearing and wheels/tires, 60ft and mph are good, only thing left to analyze is your shift points. What rpm are you shifting from 1-2, 2-3, and 3-4th?

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