Whipple or hellion?

[TwinTurboMustang.net]

Of this list:


Turbos are great for power, require massive amount of install time and even harder to go back to stock if ever needed, also significantly more money per unit.

Just a few facts that may not be known to some...

*Our Turbo System is easier to install than a Supercharger with a set of headers.
Much Easier. No relocation of stock parts.
*Runs cooler under the hood than any supercharged system
*Coolest IATs.
*Easy to put back to stock as there is no cutting or relocation Involved
*More power potential than anything on the market.
*Per Unit it is the best value, as with supercharged setups you need a set of headers for maximum power.
*TwinTurbos are like Debo from Next Friday. Don't forget to tuck your chain in.

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[Whipple SC]

Just a few facts that may not be known to some...

*Our Turbo System is easier to install than a Supercharger with a set of headers.
Much Easier. No relocation of stock parts.
*Runs cooler under the hood than any supercharged system
*Coolest IATs.
*Easy to put back to stock as there is no cutting or relocation Involved
*More power potential than anything on the market.
*Per Unit it is the best value, as with supercharged setups you need a set of headers for maximum power.
*TwinTurbos are like Debo from Next Friday. Don't forget to tuck your chain in.

Another fun fact: illegal to run in 14 and growing states since they are highly illegal and will never ever pass 50-state legal emissions. Makes it far more expensive taking off and putting back on for each state inspection.

Anyone that tells you that you need headers to make power should also be selling ocean front property in Nebraska. Sounds good, not true.

 

[TwinTurboMustang.net]

Another fun fact: illegal to run in 14 and growing states since they are highly illegal and will never ever pass 50-state legal emissions. Makes it far more expensive taking off and putting back on for each state inspection.

Anyone that tells you that you need headers to make power should also be selling ocean front property in Nebraska. Sounds good, not true.

I actually said to "maximize power you need headers". Im not saying you don't know what your talking about, Or that you won't make power. And smog legal, well there are many companies like mine that sell go fast products and they are made for racing. If smog legal was the end all, no one would be in business. It isn't. That is a entirely different conversation. Important for some, not for all.

Look, I love your products, but if something is stated incorrectly I will tastefully say something.

And don't say "never" about smogging turbo systems. Unlikely, but not NEVER.

 

[Laztug]

Is it me or do I see more failed engines with a TT setup than anything else? Heat issues etc....I just am not seeing anyone say anything at all bad with TT setups, even all the SC guys. Makes me wonder why anyone has an SC at all.............

Links to said failed engines?

 

[z06psi]

Just a few facts that may not be known to some...

*Our Turbo System is easier to install than a Supercharger with a set of headers. (Come on. You added two different systems there)
Much Easier. No relocation of stock parts. (None on the PC kit either)
*Runs cooler under the hood than any supercharged system (I would like to see the data on that)
*Coolest IATs. (You sure about that? I never run more than 5 degrees over ambiet)
*Easy to put back to stock as there is no cutting or relocation Involved
*More power potential than anything on the market. (Debatable PC has large head units and what is the biggest turbo you can fit under there? 62/66s?)
*Per Unit it is the best value, as with supercharged setups you need a set of headers for maximum power. (Nope, just cat deletes)
*TwinTurbos are like Debo from Next Friday. Don't forget to tuck your chain in.

I think you are comparing only to the PD guys. Not arguing but a lot of assertions you made in there with no data.

 

[HELLION TURBO]

When you going to do a kit for us GT350 guys?

You will see that from us sooner rather than later!

We have the system in its final stages and we will post and release images and dyno numbers very soon;)

 

[Burnin4]

I usually dont engage in "A vs B" threads because they are so subjective, however I'll mention that after owning 4-5 supercharged cars/Mustangs, once you feel the hit from twins you'll never go back to a supercharger. Turbo setups cost a little more and require more install time, but they are worth it, the normal drivability is the same if not better, and they are much more quiet then longtubes + s/c.

 

[Excelerater]

I own a Whipple,I love it..Nothing on the street IMO is more fun.
Whipples kit was easy,loaded up the tune and never looked back,no dealing with
tuners or datalogging or tuners..Easy reliable

However for max competition in drag racing nothing beats a TT in a drag car.
Just look at any 10.5 or drag radial car thats in the top of its class and its always
Turbos. I dig Nitrous also but no 5 litre will hang on spray VS boosted apps

If max power is what you want your not going to use a stock motor
of any brand ,stock rods cranks and pistons just wont be durable for big boost
25 years of drag racing and I can assure you no stock 5.0 motor will last when pushed

 

[TwinTurboMustang.net]

I think you are comparing only to the PD guys. Not arguing but a lot of assertions you made in there with no data.

Because our Turbos are not under the hood, our system has the lowest underhood temps period.

We can fit (As with most Turbo systems) a pair of 6466s

Our IATs are the lowest because we draw air directly from the front and use large High quality Air to Air cores.

I was one of the first ProCharged S550s. I like the system, good IATs as well.

Cat-Deletes are helpful, but we can agree the cats are a big restriction if you are looking for big power.

Makes more torque per psi than any blower on the market.

 

[daltron]

When you going to do a kit for us GT350 guys?

Stay tuned for GT350 TT kits from another company too ;)

 

[olaosunt]

You will see that from us sooner rather than later!

We have the system in its final stages and we will post and release images and dyno numbers very soon;)

Looking foward to it .
Not quite willing to risk my GT350 yet, but I will soon have 5.2 sleeved block/GT 350 heads/?cams to go with my Hellion kit :cheers:

I finally have some video of 9.59 pass...... so posting it everywhere I can since wont be making anymore passes for a while!

"9.59,thats a good looking street car out there folks "
lol
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[desant89]

Links to said failed engines?

I will have to search. I have read probably over a thousand threads in here. I know it has happened more than once with a TT, and not too long ago. One was a vendor I believe. Perhaps someone can chime in. I also actually recall someone else saying it seems to happen more with TT cars. I guess that can be obvious due to them making more power, but just something I have seen in here for sure.

Only brought it up as I cannot imagine why everyone who own these cars does not have TT if its the best thing ever....Cost is not much different at all once you do headers with an SC.

 

[olaosunt]

FYI.

I have had 3 failed engines now with a TT set up :frusty:

Two stock engines and one alluminator(came with billet OPG and added crank sprocket ).

Happened twice now with my Hellion but in no way the kits fault .

First time with stock engine was due to inexperience with boost controller and 20psi of boost.

Second time,I guess due to too much Powah for the Mahle pistons,less likely cracked block.I will find out which soon enough.

Coming soon though,Hellion TT, 5.2 sleeved block/GT 350 heads.

Stock engine failed with on3 TT set up due to oil starvation.I am not sure of the cause but my engine builder thinks the pump was not returning oil to the engine and not due to the OPG.

Travis@boostwork/TT also had their engine fail due to OPG.

I know personally of at least 3 others failures with 2 hellion kits(similar circumstance to my first failure) and another kit I will not name(not on3) since owner has not posted.

Again,I emphasize,failures have nothing to do with quality of kits,at least in my opinion .It may just be as already mentioned it is much easier to make big power(more than stock.non sleeved begins can take) with the TT set ups.

As you can see I am sticking with my Hellion kit for drag racing, but me personally ,I would rather have a PD blower for the street(hence on3 TT to 3.2 KB build coming soon).

 

[olaosunt]

You will see that from us sooner rather than later!

We have the system in its final stages and we will post and release images and dyno numbers very soon;)

Cant wait !
care to share how much boost?

I still have the option of the FP GT350 engine but my head tells me better to just stick to the sleeved 5.2 with CP cranks and GT350 heads.

 

[z06psi]

Whoever the kid is on Youtube lost a TT motor due to OPGs.

Just sayin.

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